this is basically the same question that i just posted to you in another thread.
what is the difference between extensor action and firing the right elbow?
you describe the firing of the right elbow to be done only when the hands are at a point almost in line with the eyes and the ball, yet in this thread you mention that extensor action is applied throughout the swing, and especially at the top to get rid of the left shoulder "wobble".
isn't firing the right elbow and extensor action the same thing?
this is basically the same question that i just posted to you in another thread.
what is the difference between extensor action and firing the right elbow?
you describe the firing of the right elbow to be done only when the hands are at a point almost in line with the eyes and the ball, yet in this thread you mention that extensor action is applied throughout the swing, and especially at the top to get rid of the left shoulder "wobble".
isn't firing the right elbow and extensor action the same thing?
thanks, mike.
To the extent that they both result in the proper both arms straight position yes, however 6b1d is a constant move 'away from center', which simplifies rhythm greatly - it simplifies the entire swing.
right arm thrust alone would be a move that would need 'timing', extensor action does not - that is the beauty of it, among other benefits.
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To the extent that they both result in the proper both arms straight position yes, however 6b1d is a constant move 'away from center', which simplifies rhythm greatly - it simplifies the entire swing.
right arm thrust alone would be a move that would need 'timing', extensor action does not - that is the beauty of it, among other benefits.
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thanks for the reply edz. this is my confusion. i thought that extensor action was obtained by a contraction of the right biceps, which applies pressure to the right elbow joint and tries to straighten the right elbow. this "straightening would apply pressure to the heel of the right hand, which applies pressure onto the base of the left thumb. and in turn, voila'............you have extensor action and the wobble taken out of the left shoulder.
but how does "firing the right side" differ from extensor action. isn't it the same action, and then chain reaction of the tricep contraction /elbow straightening/ right heel pad / left thumb pressure? or am i confused as to how extensor action is achieved from takeaway through to follow through?
Per recommendation of "staying left" at Start Up through Top or using the feet, ankles, and knees as anchors, I have noticed that this also increases the "stretching the wobble out" feeling of extensor action. I have noticed that if I "drift" right as with shifting the weight advised in traditional instruction, the stretching Feel is not as pronounced.
Am I on the right track here?
Having been properly set at Impact Fix, the Head remains Stationary until at least the completion of the Follow-Through (Both Arms Straight). The Weight, however, does not remain fixed -- either for a Hitter who begins from Impact Address (Weight Left due to Hip Slide) or for a Swinger who begins from a Standard Address (Weight equally-balanced between the Feet).
Instead, assuming Full Strokes, the Weight shifts -- to the right on the Backstroke and to the left on the Downstroke. The source of these Weight Shifts are the respective Hip Slides, and it is our 'Hula Hula' flexibility (7-14) that allows these shifts to occur without disturbing the Stationary Head. And as long as the Head remains Stationary, Extensor Action will be unaffected -- in either direction.
1. As a Preliminary Address, Grip your Left Thumb with the last two fingers of your Right Hand.
2. Pull on the Thumb to straighten your Left Arm.
3. Now proceed through the remaining eleven Sections of the Stroke, pausing in each for a few seconds and reaffirming the Stretch of the Left Arm by the Right. With the Right Wrist Bent, be very aware of the heel of the Right Hand pushing against the Left Hand Thumb. You can think of it as the 'stump' of the Right Forearm pushing against the Thumb.
4. After training solely with your Hands, go through the same routine with a dowel. Remember to Grip down on the dowel roughly the length of your Left Forearm. This promotes Left Wrist stability and the Feel of the Left Arm Flying Wedge alignments.
Personally, I think of the Twelve Sections as four subsets of three:
Three to get ready -- Preliminary Address, Impact Fix, Adjusted Address.
Three to get up -- Start Up, Backstroke, Top.
Three to get down -- Start Down, Downstroke, Release.
Three to get around -- Impact, Follow-Through, Finish.
As you pause in the Backstroke and Top Sections (Hands Chest high and Shoulder high), this 'Pushing Out against the Thumb" action should be unmistakeable. Keep your Head Stationary and stretch out all the 'wobble' in the Left Shoulder girdle. Turn your Head slightly and look LOOK LOOK to see the Stretch. I do most of my drill training in front of a full-length mirror and recommend you do, too.
At Start Down, leave your Hands and Right Shoulder at The Top -- they don't move! -- as your Hips move ever so slightly to the Left. Feel the Hip Action Leadas the Right Shoulder Lags and Extensor Action Stretches.This magnificent combination totally removes any left side 'slack.' If there is a Master Move in Golf, this is it.
While checking your Extensor Action visually, also note mentally every 'detectable, distinguishable Feel' the Action produces (3-B). Just as important, become aware of its contrasting Feel, i.e., Extensor Action OFF. In each Section, On...Off. On...Off.
Finally, remember that there are two ways you train Educated Hands: Eyes Open and Eyes Shut. So, complete the process with Closed Eyes.
Do this exercise -- and believe me, it can be a workout! -- for a few minutes every day. Give it your complete, concentrated attention, and you will soon note a new structure and consistency in your Golf Stroke. It will be Extensor Action Feel doing its job, operating invisibly to take your Game to the next level.
Yoda,
I would like to ensure that I understand extensor action. I am quite able to push my right forearm stump on my left thumb. In absence of other muscular activity, I would lose left wrist cock (if applied prior to clubshaft significantly beyond vertical). The only motion that prevents this is right forearm pronation (counterclockwise as the golfer observes it). Is this correct?
As a swinger I'm a bit concerned that this will impede the sequenced release.
Even slight pushing on PP #1 will cause some loss of LW Cock, and Right Forearm Roll won't prevent it. That's why players who retain maximum LW Cock into a max delay snap release don't use Extensor Action, but rather have a relaxed trail arm.
I think Yoda advises using PP1? My way of thinking at the moment is using PP1 to stretch the left arm taut and to keep this action thru the whole stroke. Am i close?
Yes, John, this is the action, and it is mandatory that you integrate it into your Golf Stroke. Without a Club, use the following simple drill:
1. As a Preliminary Address, Grip your Left Thumb with the last two fingers of your Right Hand.
2. Pull on the Thumb to straighten your Left Arm.
3. Now proceed through the remaining eleven Sections of the Stroke, pausing in each for a few seconds and reaffirming the Stretch of the Left Arm by the Right. With the Right Wrist Bent, be very aware of the heel of the Right Hand pushing against the Left Hand Thumb. You can think of it as the 'stump' of the Right Forearm pushing against the Thumb.
4. After training solely with your Hands, go through the same routine with a dowel. Remember to Grip down on the dowel roughly the length of your Left Forearm. This promotes Left Wrist stability and the Feel of the Left Arm Flying Wedge alignments.
Personally, I think of the Twelve Sections as four subsets of three:
Three to get ready -- Preliminary Address, Impact Fix, Adjusted Address.
Three to get up -- Start Up, Backstroke, Top.
Three to get down -- Start Down, Downstroke, Release.
Three to get around -- Impact, Follow-Through, Finish.
As you pause in the Backstroke and Top Sections (Hands Chest high and Shoulder high), this 'Pushing Out against the Thumb" action should be unmistakeable. Keep your Head Stationary and stretch out all the 'wobble' in the Left Shoulder girdle. Turn your Head slightly and look LOOK LOOK to see the Stretch. I do most of my drill training in front of a full-length mirror and recommend you do, too.
At Start Down, leave your Hands and Right Shoulder at The Top -- they don't move! -- as your Hips move ever so slightly to the Left. Feel the Hip Action Leadas the Right Shoulder Lags and Extensor Action Stretches.This magnificent combination totally removes any left side 'slack.' If there is a Master Move in Golf, this is it.
While checking your Extensor Action visually, also note mentally every 'detectable, distinguishable Feel' the Action produces (3-B). Just as important, become aware of its contrasting Feel, i.e., Extensor Action OFF. In each Section, On...Off. On...Off.
Finally, remember that there are two ways you train Educated Hands: Eyes Open and Eyes Shut. So, complete the process with Closed Eyes.
Do this exercise -- and believe me, it can be a workout! -- for a few minutes every day. Give it your complete, concentrated attention, and you will soon note a new structure and consistency in your Golf Stroke. It will be Extensor Action Feel doing its job, operating invisibly to take your Game to the next level.
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Yoda said...
"At Start Down, leave your Hands and Right Shoulder at the Top-- they don't move!"
The picture in 8-7 appears to show this. I believe many Swingers, especially, may be missing this part of the Stroke, and going immediately into a Right Shoulder Throw, or some type of mistaken Axis Tilt move at this Section.
In a dynamic motion, this small part of the Stroke will take up only a fraction of the total time in the stroke. Do you think this is the "magical" TRANSITION move, that is so often spoken about by teachers and golfers from the golf world?
This Section(8-7)... can be seen easily in pictures of Hogan, Garcia, and Clampett.
I just found this post to be very comprehensive and conclusive, with not much more to ponder.
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