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View Poll Results: Do you teach/prefer the Base of the Neck Pivot Center OR the Head Pivot Center?
Base of the neck 88 64.71%
Head 24 17.65%
It doesn't matter, the Golf Stroke doesn't need a Pivot Center 2 1.47%
They are both the same because the Head includes the Base of the Neck 22 16.18%
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The Point-Between-the-Shoulders
Originally Posted by rwh

One last question: Does "between the shoulders" mean only the upper (cervical) spine or does it refer to the entire spine running longitudinally between the shoulders.
Per The Glossary, the alternative Pivot Center is the "Point-Between-the-Shoulders."

Interesting, isn't it, that this is the kind of question that invariably arises when a shortcut -- my deliberate elimination of the word "point" in my post -- has been taken. This speaks volumes for the necessity of a unified terminology with which to discuss the complex mechanism of the Golf Stroke.

And with no shortcuts...

No matter how much a particular issue has been discussed.
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Larry Nelson's Head Pivot Center
Here's a photo of Larry Nelson from the January 1980 issue of Golf Digest and an article honoring his selection as Most Improved Player of the Year.

As we all now know, golf's "quiet man" went on to win two PGAs, the United States Open Championship, a total of 10 PGA TOUR events and 19 Champions TOUR tournaments. He also became the most feared Ryder Cupper of his generation, a member of three winning teams, going undefeated in his first two outings and finishing with a stellar 9-3-1 record. One of the game's great ballstrikers, Larry uses the Homer Kelley-recommended Head Pivot Center.
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Adam Scott's Head Pivot Center
Here's a look at Adam Scott, one of today's Young Guns of the PGA TOUR. His Head Pivot Center is evident throughout his Stroke. Adam currently ranks 16th in the PGA TOUR's coveted Greens in Regulation statistic. And he ranks 13th in Driving Distance, averaging 300.9 yards off the tee. Those who feel that the Centered Head may gain them accuracy but will cost them distance need look no further than this Greens-hitting, Australian powerhouse.

[The commentary superimposed on the photos is from Golf Digest and is not relevant to this post.]
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And he ranks 13th in Driving Distance, averaging 300.9 yards off the tee

More amazing is 47 year old Fred Couples using a head centered pivot is averaging 299.8 yds (good for #20 rank).
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Senior Larry Nelson -- A Swing For A Lifetime
I had the great privilege of spending a week with Homer Kelley at his home in Seattle in January 1982. Larry Nelson was just beginning to make his mark on the PGA TOUR, and Homer had seen him on TV. I asked him what he thought about Larry's swing:

"His alignments are perfect. His swing will last him his lifetime."

As Larry's career unfolded, we have seen Homer's vision become reality. Here's the "senior" Larry at the Top. Still swinging away...still Centered...and an entire career without hip or back injuries.
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Larry Nelson -- Centered At Address
One way to facilitate being Centered at Impact and with the Left Shoulder properly located (in relation to the Ball) is to begin that way. Here's how Larry Nelson goes about it. Take a look at his 'set' in Photo 1A (as he relates to the athletic posture of the baseball infielder). Can the Head get more Centered (between the Feet) than this? Has he maintained that Centered Head in his actual Address (Photo 1)? If it can get any better, using Homer Kelley's words, "I'll buy the beer."

Also, though this thread is focused on the Pivot and its Center, note Larry's Power Package alignments. The Arms are in a natual, unforced condition, with the Right Elbow bent nicely. Also, notice his Hands. Both Wrists are Level, and this positions the Hands (Photo 2) in a relatively 'high' position. However, they are not Uncocked, which would put the Left Arm and Clubshaft In Line (from a down-the-line view), obviously something that Homer Kelley did not recommend (unless the player uses that technique to intentionally 'zero-out' the #3 Accumulator).
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Larry Nelson Downstroke Sequence -- Maintaining the Centered Head
Finally, let's take a look at Larry Nelson's world-class Action in the Downstroke. Note especially the Start Down. The Head remains Centered...there is no exaggerated "Sit and Tilt" action moving the Head down and to the rear.

There is a slight Bob as Larry moves from his more erect Address position into his Impact alignments, but the Head remains Centered. The Right Shoulder has turned directly toward the Ball (Down Plane and On Plane) as it rotates perfectly in its own Centered Arc. As a consequence, the Left Shoulder is properly higher than at Address. This action creates additional Right Elbow Bend (versus Address) and allows his Hands to move into the perfect Impact Location, well in front of the Ball, even in this Driver sequence. The Wrist alignments are textbook.

Importantly, there is no "hitting up" on the Ball as is so often advised today. The Club has traveled Down-and-Out to its Low Point(1-L-#13), just as it should have. Results? In his prime, Larry was one of the straightest drivers on TOUR and well above average in length.

At the Finish, he allows his Head to move naturally to the left as he completes his Stroke with his Back straight and his Body in perfect Balance. This is a 'no injury' action, and as Homer Kelley predicted, it has served Larry well his entire career.
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Finally, let's take a look at Larry Nelson's world-class Action in the Downstroke. Note especially the Start Down. The Head remains Centered...there is no exaggerated "Sit and Tilt" action moving the Head down and to the rear.

There is a slight Bob as Larry moves from his more erect Address position into his Impact alignments, but the Head remains Centered. The Right Shoulder has turned directly toward the Ball (Down Plane and On Plane) as it rotates perfectly in its own Centered Arc. As a consequence, the Left Shoulder is properly higher than at Address. This action creates additional Right Elbow Bend (versus Address) and allows his Hands to move into the perfect Impact Location, well in front of the Ball, even in this Driver sequence. The Wrist alignments are textbook.

Importantly, there is no "hitting up" on the Ball as is so often advised today. The Club has traveled Down-and-Out to its Low Point(1-L-#13), just as it should have. Results? In his prime, Larry was one of the straightest drivers on TOUR and well above average in length.

At the Finish, he allows his Head to move naturally to the left as he completes his Stroke with his Back straight and his Body in perfect Balance. This is a 'no injury' action, and as Homer Kelley predicted, it has served Larry well his entire career.
Boss . . . Could you comment on the Right Foot of L. Nelson versus Sam pictured below? Is this a difference in alignment? Loading procedure? Method of acceleration?

What are the causes of the difference in the right heel? And what would be the pro's/con's of both?



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Larry Nelson's Right Foot Action
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Boss . . . Could you comment on the Right Foot of L. Nelson versus Sam pictured below? Is this a difference in alignment? Loading procedure? Method of acceleration?

What are the causes of the difference in the right heel? And what would be the pro's/con's of both?
As is Billy Casper, Larry Nelson is a 'Right Foot Dragger' through Impact. It is a very natural action, the same 'foot drag' you get when you skip a rock across water with gusto.

Personally, I like Sam Snead's more stable Right Foot, but Larry's action gets the job done, and I, for one, would not suggest that he change it. The procedure does not interfere with his Pivot Stability or Balance, and it has served him well throughout his career.
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