That's a pretty cool site anyway....lots of pics and swing stuff....(if you click on the lessons at the bottom of the page)
I skimmed through it....and a lot of seems to be pretty good.....the setup stuff seemed to be good (from what I got out of it from very quickly skimming)....
But then I got to lesson 6...
"The clubface MUST not roll open in the backswing."
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Seems to be method teaching...
I mean....this would work for Palmer, Trevino, Lema, Irwin, Funk, Duval, etc...(anyone with that kind of clubface control)
But not for Hogan, Mickelson, Jones, blah blah blah etc. etc.
Personally, that guy wouldn't be a good fit for me...(I use Standard Wrist Action....i.e. with a swivel in the takeaway and right before the Release)...
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Green's got a nice swing, but he doesnt seem to be pulling down with his left arm. In fact in his video he he feels that a pulling action leads to having to make a last second flip of the hands to square it up.
He does seem to incorporate the 3 TGM imperatives in his motion...
What people FEEL may not be what is happening. With SWINGING there is a PULL, but often this is a RESULT of doing other things properly. A proper on plane right shoulder motion, for example, can set up the gyroscopic motion of a SWINGER, which has a PULLLING going on.
With HITTING, the hands usually stop at the TOP, AND OFTEN APPEAR TO NEARLY PAUSE before the start down. Of course, some HITTERS APPEAR very much like swingers, with very subtle things going on that make their pattern be classified a HIT, rather tha a SWING.
REMEMBER the story I had told to me... Is the horse PULLING the wagon, or PUSHING against the collar? You would have to ask the horse.
good stuff guys, all of you...I gotta tell you guys last night I think I had a TGM Ephifany that will probably make this Leslie King stuf a moot point. I feel feel like shelving all the books and print out I have (King, E Jones, B Jones, Hogans 5 Lessons, Bertholy SC101, Armour, Flick, et al)
and track down a 7th Edition YB and Brians flipper video. I cant lose what I found last night or be pretty bummed
What I did over 3 holes was just take that reverse K (TGM impact fix?) set up position with an 8 iron, took a nice full turn, came back down with my rt. shoulder tracing, as close as I could, down the target line. From there I just tried to mimmick as much as I could those photos of imapact postions in Lynn's gallery, I think its "Chamions at Impact"(head back, flat to slightly bowed left wrist, shoulders square hips open)
What happened was incredible, Ive never hit irons that crisp, with that kind of unbelievable trajectory in my life. All with a pretty swing. Im sold guys...Where is the best place to get a 7th edition or would a 6th edt. be ok for newbie?
Thanks for your input on King, Green and Croker...
Crocker never speaks of the right hand. He is a Swinger by my guess. Power by pivot and transfer.
Evershed on the other hand speaks solely of the right hand and no transfer accumulator but with a horizontal hinge action.
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Dear Mike,
Firstly I believe you are referring to me, and it is "Croker" - non "Crocker" (that was Kojak's sidekick)
Secondly you must not have reviewed much of the Croker Golf System.
Perhaps a look at this 24 Component Analysis by Paul Hart (G.S.E.D.) of CGS will help you understand how I use both left and right hand actively in the swing.(and you can Hit or Swing using our System.)
When the alignments are known and understood, the use of both hands in a "PUSHING" orientation is the entrance point to building Control first and Power second.
What CGS has defined is the detailed definitions of the basics of an "uncompensating" golf swing.
Once you have positively identified these basics and their alignments, you can decide whether you want to swing or hit.
It is my belief from my study of Homers works that the alignments can be the same for both.
It is my preference at my stage in my golfing life that I can hit it further and with much less stress on my back and other body parts, if I swing (ie: maximize the rotational forces in the swing motion and use my muscle thrust to maintain structure and move the club on the correct path both back and down, out, and through the ball to a balanced finish.
I appreciate your interest in wanting to define what CGS does, but I would recommend a thorough study first before making such statements as done here.
Homer had it right when he stresses the need for "Educated Hands."
Tom Tomasello was right too when he talked about the value of opinions.
The Croker Golf System acknowledges Homer Kelley for his great work in giving us a Plan of Action - "The 24 Components."
CGS has defined precisely 24 Components that align one to the next and when drilled into a complete motion, allow a golfer to have a)CONTROL, b) POWER, and c) CONSISTENCY.
CGS does have a "preferred pattern" from "A to Z"!
Do you know what it is?
I look forward to your researched answer and the questions that will follow.
Peter Croker is all right hand/arm. Just check out Peter's videos and articles in Golf Digest it's all about using the right hand...
DG
Dear DG,
I am afraid that such material as was in Golf Digest Cover Story 1995 is only a part of the total picture of the "Croker Golf System."
The right hand is super important, but so is the left.
Did you know that the left hand can "push" in the downswing??
When it does it helps build structure through impact and also is a major cause of the left hip's continued rotation well through impact, follow through, and into the finish.
Perhaps a study of the updates of CGS are worth the effort of further research?
Still somewhat new to TGM, but Im confused about hitting and swinging. Have seen Croker's downloads, but Im not sure if "pushing" always equals "hitting", or if its still a CF swing?
Thanks...
Dear Coltsfan,
Just to clear a definition: Pushing = Pressure against something and maintained or increased.
You cannot move anything in this universe without involving a "pushing action" unless a vacuum is involved.
Therefore when I define "Pushing" I am always looking to the "Pressure Points" and their combinations.
This means that within Croker Golf System a golfer has the choice of either "Hitting" or "Swinging".
I do not believe you have studied our Video Downloads thoroughly enough or have downloaded them all. Otherwise you would have removed much of your "CONFUSION."
Please do the drills that are part of each Video Download and you will quickly bring feel and better understanding of a preferred motion customised to you.
All with a pretty swing. Im sold guys...Where is the best place to get a 7th edition or would a 6th edt. be ok for newbie?
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