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Old 10-20-2006, 05:46 PM
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Tongzilla,

I can honestly say that I have no 'preferred' Pattern. I love to Swing, and I love to Hit. And I love to 'tinker'...to see if I can Hit a little Pitch Shot from Special Address (10-9-D / Hands in classic Address Positon and Body Open and in Impact Position). Or even from the Standard Address (10-9-A / Left Wrist Bent and Right Wrist Flat). Or if I can Swing from Impact Address (10-9-B / Hands and Body in Standard Impact Fix). Or if I can can execute Flop Shots Hitting. Or hit low-flying, burning Wedge Shots Swinging. I love to feel that dull ache in my Right Hand forefinger at the end of a good Hitting session. And I love to feel the 'Free-Wheeling' of the Clubhead through Impact in a 'Crank the Gyroscope and let'er fly' Swing.

Learning to Hit has made me a much better Swinger. I never truly experienced Lag Pressure Point Pressure until I learned to create it in the Hitting Stroke. Once I got 'access' to that Pressure, I was able to recreate it in the Swinging Stroke, despite its Passive Participation. Just this last Sunday afternoon, I found myself sensing strongly the #3 Pressure Point at the Finish of my Swinging Stroke. I had just Traced the Straight Plane Line through Impact, and the Ball had exploded off the face of my Club.

"The Right Forearm and #3 Pressure Point..." said Homer Kelley to me in 1982, "...you're gonna want to insure'm for a million bucks."

Hitting or Swinging, that statement is as true today as it was then, although the application is different for each. And it is a true joy to experience that differentiation in a given Stroke.

Bottom line:

Both Patterns are so much a part of me now that it would be very difficult for me to envision a G.O.L.F. World in which I could not do both.

Nice answer Yoda

Just so I fully comprehend what you're saying...

Lets say you were in the final round of your club champs, and you had a simple bread and butter drive you need to hit long and straight. Are you saying you might Swing or Hit that shot depending purely on how you feel that day -- as opposed to any mechanical reasons such as "I usually hit it further with Swinging" or "I usually hit it straighter with Hitting"?

Anyhow, it must be a great feeling having complete mastery and understanding of both procedures, and knowing that you are one of the few people in the world that possess these skills.
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Old 10-20-2006, 11:40 PM
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Nice answer Yoda

Just so I fully comprehend what you're saying...

Lets say you were in the final round of your club champs, and you had a simple bread and butter drive you need to hit long and straight. Are you saying you might Swing or Hit that shot depending purely on how you feel that day -- as opposed to any mechanical reasons such as "I usually hit it further with Swinging" or "I usually hit it straighter with Hitting"?
With everything on the line...

Hitting or Swinging...

I would 'Drag my Wet Mop' -- sustain Clubhead Lag -- from the Top through Follow-Through to as far as I could into the Finish.
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Old 10-21-2006, 01:10 AM
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I've heard it said before on this site that learning to hit can improve swinging. Besides familiarizing the player with the feel of PP3, in what other ways can hitting help to improve swinging? While we're at it, in what ways can learning to swing help a hitter?
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Old 10-21-2006, 01:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Bigwill

I've heard it said before on this site that learning to hit can improve swinging. Besides familiarizing the player with the feel of PP3, in what other ways can hitting help to improve swinging? While we're at it, in what ways can learning to swing help a hitter?
Bigwill,

With Swinging, Centrifugal Force does so many things to help.
-- It aligns the Clubshaft.

-- It aligns the Clubface.

-- It thrusts the Clubhead.
Pity the poor Hitter.

He must do all three...with absolutely no help from 'Mother Nature.' Since only his Thrust is different, he must know -- and be able to supply -- all the other alignments.

Bottom Line:

Hitting is much harder to learn than Swinging.

But once you know it...

It is easier.

Two reasons to learn Hitting:

1. When you Hit, you are never out of your Impact alignments.

2. When you can Hit, you know the mission-critical Swinging Alignments.

At this point, Swinging becomes...

"...like shooting ducks in a pond."

-- Homer Kelley
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Old 10-21-2006, 10:52 AM
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Bigwill,


.....Hitting is much harder to learn than Swinging.

But once you know it...

It is easier.

Two reasons to learn Hitting:

1. When you Hit, you are never out of your Impact alignments.

2. When you can Hit, you know the mission-critical Swinging Alignments.

At this point, Swinging becomes...

"...like shooting ducks in a pond."

-- Homer Kelley

So in the sequence of learning should one start with swinging...move to hitting....or would that be a decision based on an evaluation of the player's initial natural tendencies.
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Originally Posted by Yoda
Bigwill,

With Swinging, Centrifugal Force does so many things to help.
-- It aligns the Clubshaft.

-- It aligns the Clubface.

-- It thrusts the Clubhead.
Pity the poor Hitter.

He must do all three...with absolutely no help from 'Mother Nature.' Since only his Thrust is different, he must know -- and be able to supply -- all the other alignments.

Bottom Line:

Hitting is much harder to learn than Swinging.

But once you know it...

It is easier.

Two reasons to learn Hitting:

1. When you Hit, you are never out of your Impact alignments.

2. When you can Hit, you know the mission-critical Swinging Alignments.

At this point, Swinging becomes...

"...like shooting ducks in a pond."

-- Homer Kelley
Check out this beautiful action...

Notice in Frame 11, the finish swivel per 4-D-0, "But all players must "Swivel" - actually rotate their Wrists - into the "parallel to the Plane" position for the Finish (8-12) after the Followthrough.

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Not to threadjack my own thread, but would that be an example of a double shift in the stroke sequence. Elbow plane to turned shoulder plane(?) back to elbow plane. Is that right?

Thanks,

Kevin
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Old 10-21-2006, 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Yoda
Bigwill,

With Swinging, Centrifugal Force does so many things to help.
-- It aligns the Clubshaft.

-- It aligns the Clubface.

-- It thrusts the Clubhead.
Pity the poor Hitter.

He must do all three...with absolutely no help from 'Mother Nature.' Since only his Thrust is different, he must know -- and be able to supply -- all the other alignments.

Bottom Line:

Hitting is much harder to learn than Swinging.

But once you know it...

It is easier.

Two reasons to learn Hitting:

1. When you Hit, you are never out of your Impact alignments.

2. When you can Hit, you know the mission-critical Swinging Alignments.

At this point, Swinging becomes...

"...like shooting ducks in a pond."

-- Homer Kelley

Thanks, Lynn. I'm definitely a natural swinger, despite my physical dimensions. Maybe I ought to delve into hitting, and see where it leads me....
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Old 10-21-2006, 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by kebeal
Not to threadjack my own thread, but would that be an example of a double shift in the stroke sequence. Elbow plane to turned shoulder plane(?) back to elbow plane. Is that right?

Thanks,

Kevin

Kind of looks like it to these untrained eyes.
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