Thanks for posting the clip. I’ve been working so hard on trying to direct PP#3 at my aiming point I have neglected PP#1. After seeing the clip yesterday I hit some balls last night focusing on both pressure points and I was very pleased with the results of being able to keep the right wrist bent into impact. I looked at some old video had done a month ago and notice I was quitting at the ball when trying to use only PP#3. Now my hands are getting ahead of the club head into both arms straight. I don’t have my book with me but don’t you also use the last 3 fingers of the left hand for a PP? If so how is it critical monitor as PP1 and 3?
timm i think this a great point and one that should emphasized. you can use pp#3 when hitting, as yoda stated, to both drive and sense clubhead lag, but if it's not properly executed it makes quitting much easier. if you use pp#1 to drive then you have a bent right wrist automatically and can sense lag via pp#3. if you watch the jeff hull videos, as jeff takes grip of the club, you can really see him set pp#1 for the rest of the swing.
Great little video and thanks for posting this. I was also reading another incredibly informative post about the bent right wrist here http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ad.php?p=26202. I never realized how much pp#1 needs to be pushed all the way through to both arms straight with a frozen bent right wrist. Also, happened to see highlights of of the '83 British Open the other night on TGC, they had one great front on video of Lee Trevino "hitting". Impact fix startup all the way through to finish, you could tell he just killed the ball. Thanks again.
The left wrist ideally- normally - stays flat not only through impact but through the follow-through and through the swivel. That is one of the fundamental alignments.
How the right wrist moves while that happens is of lesser importance. That said, it normally flattens from impact to follow- through- certainly on full shots.
In addition, assuming theoretically that you have a palm facing grip (not saying anyone does)- then if you have forearm rotation- maintaining a flat left wrist would mean that the right wrist flattens. Conversely, if you maintained a bent right wrist angle while having both forearms rotating then the left wrist would be required to arch.
So the key is if you have no forearm rotation from impact to follow-through- then yes you'll need to have the impact fix degree of right wrist bend or you will have left wrist bend if the right wrist flattens.
I don't think that you'll find in the Golfing Machine that it's talked about maintaining an impact fix degree of bend into the follow-through. Because specifically for swinging and the use of centrifugal force, that would really be more of an "un-golf like" motion than "golf like" on full shots.
I'm not really sure where this misconception comes from - I guess the assumption that if the right wrist flattens that you automatically have the left wrist bending- which is not the case. However, that thought would basically lead to an exaggerated aberation.
But the real judgement is up to you- look at alot of different swing sequences of professional players- not just one here or there. See if you see the right wrist flattening between release and the follow-through.
timm i think this a great point and one that should emphasized. you can use pp#3 when hitting, as yoda stated, to both drive and sense clubhead lag, but if it's not properly executed it makes quitting much easier. if you use pp#1 to drive then you have a bent right wrist automatically and can sense lag via pp#3. if you watch the jeff hull videos, as jeff takes grip of the club, you can really see him set pp#1 for the rest of the swing.
I’ve been trying to learn so much about TGM that some time you can over load with to much information and not truly understand the most important stuff. Mr. Kelly summed up the most important thing in one sentence. “educate the hands” No matter if I’m swing or hitting the only thing that transfer the power and precision to the club is educated hands.
Maintaining the Bent Right Wrist In the Follow-Through
Originally Posted by Mike O
How the right wrist moves while that happens is of lesser importance. That said, it normally flattens from impact to follow- through- certainly on full shots.
In addition, assuming theoretically that you have a palm facing grip (not saying anyone does)- then if you have forearm rotation- maintaining a flat left wrist would mean that the right wrist flattens. Conversely, if you maintained a bent right wrist angle while having both forearms rotating then the left wrist would be required to arch.
So the key is if you have no forearm rotation from impact to follow-through- then yes you'll need to have the impact fix degree of right wrist bend or you will have left wrist bend if the right wrist flattens.
I don't think that you'll find in the Golfing Machine that it's talked about maintaining an impact fix degree of bend into the follow-through. Because specifically for swinging and the use of centrifugal force, that would really be more of an "un-golf like" motion than "golf like" on full shots.
I'm not really sure where this misconception comes from - I guess the assumption that if the right wrist flattens that you automatically have the left wrist bending- which is not the case. However, that thought would basically lead to an exaggerated aberation.
But the real judgement is up to you- look at alot of different swing sequences of professional players- not just one here or there. See if you see the right wrist flattening between release and the follow-through.
I agree that the Finish Swivel (out of the Follow-Through) and its independent Wrist Rotation back to the Plane virtually mandates a Flat Right Wrist. However, in my opinion, the Hinge Action -- which is in operation from Impact to the end of the Follow-Through -- does not. It is quite possible to maintain the Bent Right Wrist (without producing an ungolflike move) when the Left Wrist is held Vertical to any one of the Three Basic Planes (Horizontal, Angled or Vertical). In other words, when there has been no 'true' independent rotation of the Hands.
In the countless thousands of Chips and little Pitches I've hit using, e.g., the Full Roll Clubface of Horizontal Hinging, the Bent Right Wrist at the end of the Follow-Through is a key checkpoint.
Check the Bent Right Wrist in these Gallery Photos:
None of this means, of course, that you don't see a lot of Flattening Right Wrists during the Follow-Through on the PGA TOUR (Phil Mickelson is the poster boy). But it wasn't that way with many of the great strikers from Hogan to Trevino to Nelson (Byron or Larry).
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Yes I feel the same way just thought I'd throw the question out there. Everytime I find it it's the 1979 not 75 edition. Im very interested to see the five different stages!! as well as the putting strokes/5 imperatives.
Peter
Better late than never, What were the 5 imperatives?
The 5 Imperatives showed up in the 2nd Edition:
1) Stationary Head
2) Balance
3) Rhythm
4) Flat Left Wrist
5) Clubhead Lag
They remained the same for the 3rd Edition.
The change took place in the 4th Edition which remains the same today. This was the beginning of the 3 Imperatives with the 3 Essentials.
Interesting stuff! And it gets even more interesting because there were actually Eight Imperatives in the 2nd and 3rd editions!
The first five referenced above did not have a paragraph reference of their own. Instead, they appeared in the first paragraph of 2-0 General. And then there were...
The Three Hand Action Imperatives of 6-H-0 written in all capitals:
A. ALLOW NOT THE SLIGHTEST UNINTENTI8OONAL CHANGE OF PRESSURE POINT PRESSURE;
B. ALLOW NOT THE SLIGHEST MOVE TO PREPARE TO SWIGN THE CLUB FROM THE WRIST;
C. ALLOW NOT THE SLIGHTEST PREPARATION TO BRING THE HANDS TO A STOP.
These Three Hand Imperatives found their ultimate identity as Quitting, the Second of the Four Snares. They now exist only as a memory and as the genesis of 3-F-7-B. Like 'Dear Old Great-Grandad,' they are gone, but not forgotten.
And now you know...
The rest of the story!
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Yoda
Above is series of thread in archives under chapter 1 - eight imperatives... but it has so much to offer with regards quitting.
MASSIVE FONT SIZE / bold / italic CHANGE BY ME
it makes much more sense to my mind when phrased like this rather than in the quitting section and is so important i can see why it was an early "imperative" it makes the retention of a passive PP1 sensation something to strive for. I found that it makes my right shoulder go more down plane than anything i have tried before!! this is the way i understand "hands controlled pivot" - get the body to do whatever is needed so that the correct pressure point sensations are maintained in swinging - including pp1 in swinging - but passive pp1.
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Pressure Point #1 drives the Left Arm. Pressure Point #3 drives the Club. Both Pressure Points #1 and #3 are the product of Accumulator #1 (the Right Elbow). If only Pressure Point #3 is used in the Hitting Stroke, it drives the entire Primary Lever Assembly (Left Arm and Club) and the Clubhead Lag.
PP1- the Left arm
PP3- the club ....... I see that better now, although I do remember you saying once that you like to feel PP3 as the clubhead. From there I saw PP1 as driving the shaft from the flat left wrist by way of the straightening right arm. I was feeling (or seeing in my head) more shaft than arm.
The left wrist ideally- normally - stays flat not only through impact but through the follow-through and through the swivel. That is one of the fundamental alignments.
How the right wrist moves while that happens is of lesser importance. That said, it normally flattens from impact to follow- through- certainly on full shots...But the real judgement is up to you- look at alot of different swing sequences of professional players- not just one here or there. See if you see the right wrist flattening between release and the follow-through.
This contradicts what has been posted by the Doctors on these TGM-related forums over the last 4 years.
This contradicts what has been posted by the Doctors on these TGM-related forums over the last 4 years.
This is what Lynn taught us a Pine Needles... it swivels the shaft perfectly onto the same plane as the sweetspot for the finish onto the face of the inlcined plane
All pending on griptype, hinge action, and selected plane angle
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