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Old 11-08-2006, 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by EdZ
That swivel of the head is a move more people should use IMO. One of the reasons people tend to move their head in the first place is that it gets in the way of the shoulder turn.

Far easier to both keep a steady head, and to get a fuller turn, with the chin swiveled before the takeaway ala Snead and Nicklaus.
When the head swivels doesn't it throw off our ability to see the actual location of the center of the head? In other words, Scott's head is truly centered in the picture provided earlier in this thread, but it appears to be slightly off since he has swiveled his head? (posed to anyone)

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The reason you can't sustain the lag is because you are so eager to make the club move fast (a reaction to the intent of "hitting it far"). So on a full shot you throw it away too early, which doesn't happen for your short chip. (bts)
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Old 11-08-2006, 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Sonic_Doom
Birdie, in the real world, machines take many different forms. The word machine was defined long before dirt bikes were around. In my world we define a rope as a machine.
Ok man sure. Big deal.

It doesn't change anything tho cause Homer's machine doesn't resemble a human being. It swings a golf club yes. But it does not work the same way as a human. (I think that was the original point)

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No, I agree with you here and I took some liberty with my interpretation. I was trying to cite Homer's preference for a head centred pivot.

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Old 11-09-2006, 04:27 AM
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Birdie, I just despair at you.

Let me make it real simple...



This is the spine - you know, that thing that runs up the middle of the back.... not some mystical line that runs through the 'look of the back' from a front on view....
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Old 11-09-2006, 11:08 AM
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These are good pictures.

From some of the information given by Mr. Skywalker... it has been shown that in order to KEEP a steady HEAD in a golf stroke, the SPINE DOES INDEED MOVE IN WAYS THAT MAY BE DIFFICULT TO DETECT. Some of the difficulty here could be in the Straight Rod Spine CONCEPT, Neutral Spine, or other ideas that are out there.

The TORSO, and HEAD stays fairly steady, but the SPINE underneath that TORSO is doing various things under there in order for this STEADINESS to occur. If fact, if one attempts to keep the SPINE STRAIGHT LIKE A ROD, the HEAD will then most likely be forced to MOVE, probably both LATERALLY and DOWN at certain points during the STROKE.
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Old 11-09-2006, 11:39 AM
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Homer's 'Hula Hula' Hip Turn
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The TORSO, and HEAD stays fairly steady, but the SPINE underneath that TORSO is doing various things under there...
Hula dancers have the same 'problem.'

Which is why Homer used Hula Hula as the subtitle for Chapter 7-14 (the Hip Turn Component).
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Old 11-09-2006, 02:15 PM
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And all that I wanted was "how you would interpret the additional text"!

Here is a question for Birdie and all others btw.

Can we all agree on that by having a stationary head, it is easier to return the clubhead to the ball more accurately than without a stationary head?

If so, why should not everybody do it?

Oh because all are not as flexible as Tiger or Els or....and so on.....

BUT, IMO the solution to have a stationary head and still be able to make a total motion indipendent of your bodysize and flexibility is in the book!!

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Old 11-09-2006, 06:07 PM
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BUT, IMO the solution to have a stationary head and still be able to make a total motion indipendent of your bodysize and flexibility is in the book!!
K what is it.
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Old 11-09-2006, 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Mathew
Birdie, I just despair at you.

Let me make it real simple...



This is the spine - you know, that thing that runs up the middle of the back.... not some mystical line that runs through the 'look of the back' from a front on view....
Despair at me eh.

Yes I know what a spine is man.

I think a lower intelligence monkey could prolly tell that the pink line is not Sam Snead's spine....

....and a higher intelligence monkey could prolly tell that the blue line is not Sam Snead's spine.

I guess it could be called a "look of lean"...? (yes I know this is not a Golfing Machine term)

I dunno who would ever try to pass those lines off as the spine (has anyone?) but I wouldn't.

I don't think the green line is right either tho.

(any spine experts out there??)

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Anyway...

Regardless of all this spine anatomy stuff....(which is interesting in itself)...

Those pictures are both 2 examples of pretty nice pivots- IMO. Jack and Sam. (although I'm not overly big on Jack's right knee)

They worked very well for these players....are pretty orthodox (i.e. "classic") pivots IMO.....

And for a driver....very good- IMO.
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Old 11-09-2006, 06:48 PM
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And I thought it was obvious.
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K what is it.
Birdie_man,

All the combinations of the basic components.

What is it? A total of 446,512,500,000,000,000 differents swings which have the 3 imperatives

For example: to a inflexibel player I would start with the pivot 10-12-B.

Now, what would this do to him?
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Old 11-10-2006, 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted by birdie_man
I dunno who would ever try to pass those lines off as the spine (has anyone?) but I wouldn't.

I don't think the green line is right either tho.

(any spine experts out there??)
I'm not such an expert, but I think Mathew did as well as can be done in 2 dimensions.
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The reason you can't sustain the lag is because you are so eager to make the club move fast (a reaction to the intent of "hitting it far"). So on a full shot you throw it away too early, which doesn't happen for your short chip. (bts)
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