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View Poll Results: What Swing Thought did Homer Kelley deem most important?
1. "The Flat Left Wrist. It is the First Imperative." 106 42.91%
2. "Hands! Hands! Hands!" 50 20.24%
3. "Load the Lag. Without this, nothing much matters." 35 14.17%
4. "The Right Forearm Tracing down the Delivery Line." 36 14.57%
5. "The whole purpose of the swing was to get you in position to apply a Hinge Action through the Ball. Make sure you do!" 20 8.10%
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Old 07-01-2005, 08:29 AM
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Number Four: "The Right Forearm tracing down the Delivery Line."
6-E-2-1 Thrust Direction. "....The Hands must always take one of the Delivery Paths (10-23) but even with the Circle Path, the Thrust is still a straight-line EFFORT toward the Aiming Point. And even "Tracing (5-0) must not disrupt it."

Does this text relegate "Tracing" to a secondary position, or not?
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Old 07-01-2005, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by strav
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Number Four: "The Right Forearm tracing down the Delivery Line."
6-E-2-1 Thrust Direction. "....The Hands must always take one of the Delivery Paths (10-23) but even with the Circle Path, the Thrust is still a straight-line EFFORT toward the Aiming Point. And even "Tracing (5-0) must not disrupt it."

Does this text relegate "Tracing" to a secondary position, or not?

No- same position- different view of the line.

The Tracing of the Plane Line (ground) is automatic when you monitor the Delivery Path of the Hands or use an Aiming Point concept. Hands ‘trump’ forearms as a “Visual Adjustment” (my word). The Hands and Forearm are still on plane, you are just “seeing” and monitoring one of them from your perspective. And Hands have top priority. So drive pp#3 to your hearts content straight into the ball- aft rear.
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Old 07-03-2005, 06:43 AM
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Thanks 6Bmike,
In the quote I had interpreted Tracing as a means to an end for a sighted player and that the end was more important than the means.
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Old 07-10-2005, 05:17 AM
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Re: And The Winner Is...
Originally Posted by Yoda
And his answer was...

<drum roll please!>

Number Four: "The Right Forearm tracing down the Delivery Line."
Was out for 9 holes with my wife yesterday. And decided to try this swing thought. It worked! On everything from driver to putter.

On the 7th I asked my wife if she wanted to see an "Arnold Palmer" (hit). The T-shot is suited for a high fade. But she'd rather see the "overweight alcoholic" as she put it so I went for an all out "John Daly" drive with 45* extra rotation on the clubshaft in the back swing. With Homers swing thought I found the path back to the ball and sailed it way past the dogleg.

On the last holes it felt like impossible to produce a big miss with this swing thought.
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Old 08-03-2005, 09:05 PM
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Re: And The Winner Is...
Originally Posted by Yoda
Number Four: "The Right Forearm tracing down the Delivery Line."

Homer described the Inclined Plane as "the heart and soul" of the golf Stroke. And Tracing the Delivery Line assures staying On Plane. The Delivery Line could be either the true Geometric Plane Line (Swinging) -- the straight line baseline of the Inclined Plane; or, the Angle of Approach (Hitting) -- the geometric equivalent of the Arc of Approach (2-J-3).

He added that the thought might be peculiar to him: He had spent so many years focusing on getting correctly to the Top that he needed a key to get him from the Top through Impact!

Congratulations to the nine percent of the voters who got it right. Now, let's all get out there and Trace!


Does trace mean feel as though the right arm is riding on the plane if it were a piece of glass? So if you use a table as the plane the right forearm would stay on the table all the way down through the ball?
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Old 08-03-2005, 11:11 PM
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As if an extension of your arm (i.e. dowel, flashlight beam) was pointing at the plane line.
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Old 08-08-2005, 08:21 AM
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Hi:

Very suprising. Only 11 percent got this correct. I assume even those who went to the Yoda seminars. I thought the answers would be the hands.

Hands supercede everything, correct? Hands to aiming point in a straight line, correct? Trace the plane line with the right forearm, or direct hands at aiming point, not both, correct?

If one visualizes tracing the plane line with the right forearm, to avoid downstroke blackout, how does one incorporate aiming point?

Wouldn't one hit fat shots by only thinking about plane line tracing?

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Old 08-08-2005, 04:03 PM
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Nonononono....that's just a swing thought...

Just cause you think about that and not aiming point at the same time doesn't mean you won't do it....your hands have to be trained how to do it, but you shouldn't really have to think about it consciously after that...

And basically, when he says "Tracing the delivery line with the right forearm," you could think of it as pointing the shaft at the delivery line...that works better for me personally.

Read what Yoda said:

"Homer described the Inclined Plane as "the heart and soul" of the golf Stroke. And Tracing the Delivery Line assures staying On Plane. The Delivery Line could be either the true Geometric Plane Line (Swinging) -- the straight line baseline of the Inclined Plane; or, the Angle of Approach (Hitting) -- the geometric equivalent of the Arc of Approach (2-J-3)."

So, for a swinger it might help to visualize the delivery line as basically the Plane Line- visualize it extending straight to the target (however, know that, in reality, it's a slight arc- Arc of Approach)...and trace it.

For a hitter, visualize the delivery line as going through the inside-aft quadrant of the ball, DOWN and OUT through low point, and straight out to "right field." Trace it. Drive your hands and clubhead down it.

"On Line Swing" vs. "Cross Line Hit."

If you have TGM...do yourself a favour and read 2-J-3. It's one page.
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Old 08-20-2005, 02:21 PM
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When driving down the crossline plane with Angled Hinging what does the clubface look like at the Top? Is it square to the crossline plane (slightly shut to the target line) or does it appear shut to even the crossline plane because of the "no roll" feel one employs on the downswing?
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Old 08-21-2005, 11:24 PM
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The following article appeared in The West Magazine August 20, 2005. Under the heading Perspectives: Ron Conway, World-beating blind golfer.

I lost my sight when I was 38 years old. I’d never played golf before that. I was wondering what I was going to do with the rest of my life and it was presented to me that I could do tenpin bowling, lawn bowls, and then they mentioned golf.
I said “You must be joking”. But they said they had a bunch of guys playing every week and I said, “I’ve got to see that”, which was pretty funny. So I met all these marvelous people and I thought, “If they can do it I can bloody do it”. I developed a visualization technique. I had been a research chemist for 20 years and I applied my analytical background to golf. I realized I could learn to visualize the swing, to visualize the movements, visualize my target, visualize some sort of golf course and create a map in my head. And with my putting, I walk to the pin and my feet give me all the signals, all the moving from right to left, left to right, all the subtleties.
Caddies are very important because they are your eyes. But I tend to be able to give them enough instruction in about 20 minutes so that they can give me all the information I need. I say “Forget that I am blind, I am a golfer now. Tell me this, this and that and you will make me a happy man and let me worry about the mechanics”.
Playing golf is the one time I walk out without a white cane. It’s just marvelous to walk beside somebody at your normal, natural pace in the fresh air and in all that open space.
Sometimes people say, “You can’t have any enjoyment, Ron, when you can’t see where the ball has gone”, but I feel how sweetly I have hit the ball.
I get the caddie to place the head of the club behind the ball and they tell me to move forward or to come back until they feel that I am on target. Within two years I was club champion and the following year I was State champion and within four years I was Australian champion and then three-time world champion.
Now I do corporate stuff and travel the world taking on the likes of Ernie Els, Greg Norman, Nick Faldo, Sergio Garcia and all these guys.
Sometimes I succumb and make them wear blindfolds, but my preference is to take them on as they are on a one-shot on one-shot basis taking on a target.
The most important thing, the most nurturing thing, about golf for me has been that it has given me my life back. It has allowed me to believe that I can be part of society. I am a member of a golf club and when I play guys who are sighted my bets are as good as theirs. They see me as a golfer. I have a handicap (15) that is recognized by any golf association in the world.

As told to Griffin Longley
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