To differentiate the motions, I find it helpful to try to perform each.
Use the appropriate left wrist action, assembly point, and loading type for Swinging. Do it once leaving the left arm inert and using the right shoulder to drag the clubhead downplane. Then do it again, but this time by dragging your right arm downplane. Don't drive it, but instead drag it through impact. Feel that right forearm pull the clubshaft lengthwise.
Then change the left wrist, etc, to accomodate Hitting. Feel the right arm drive-out and feel the difference between that PUNCHING motion and the Right Arm Swinging motion you just felt. There should be a definite difference in feel between the three motions, and especially between the Right Arm Swing and the Hit.
Good Point...A lot of "right arm swinger" wanna be's where the center of the arm swing becomes the right elbow instead of the left shoulder and they find themselves driving the clubhead instead of the left arm.10-3-K. But it is still hitting... in my opinion...But there's enough info on that...ask DG he's posted more on the subject than I...
Thanks goes out to our resident "Right Arm Swing" Affecinado....Delaware Golf... I Personally s topped "right arm swinging because my level of expertise kept causing me to execute 10-3-K, low point problems, pull hooks, throwaway, and a right elbow that was in a lot of pain....what was I doing wrong?..
This thread is a grip type thread....Please let's continue my friends
I learned from Mac O'Grady, Michael Hebron, Lynn Blake, Chuck Evans,Chuck Wike, Ted Frick.Andy Plummer and Fran Deschaine....Tommy died before I had the chance to get some insight from Him....
My Stroke Pattern:
Grip-Basic - Overlap
Grip-Type - Strong Single
Stroke - Basic - Pitch... later became "Bat" unintentionally
Stroke Variation - 4 Barrel
Plane line- Cl-Cl - 2"
Plane Angle - Basic - Elbow
Plane Angle Variation - Double Shift
Fix - N/A
Address - Standard
Hinge Action - Dual Horizonal
Pressure Point combination - 4 Point
Pivot - Standard
Shoulder Turn - Rotated
Hip Turn - Standard
Hip Action - Delayed
Knee Action - Standard
Foot Action -Flat Left
Wrist Action - Standard
Lag Loading - Drag
Trigger - Shoulder/Right Arm/Wrist throw Combination
Assembly Point - Top
Loading Action - Sweep
Delivery Path - Top Arc - Angled Line
Release - Snap
When I was 17 I was a +1.8 HDCP...Then I took lessons
...As a "Mini-Touring" Professional ( I played them all...Hogan, TC Jordan, Powerbilt, Canadian, etc...) Each year my stroke average went up!!! I was great at missing cuts with 72's..74's ..76's usually even numbers though!!!
Did win a mini-tour event - Swinging - I was working with Phil Ritson .
In amateur speak I became a 2,4,6....Couldn't play dead!!!
At age 37 I've played 9 rounds this year my HDCP is a +1.8 ( Highest Round of the year 76 and made my handicap go up from +2.2 back toward zero...
What happened ...I went back to "Swinging" with a Left Shoulder as the Center of the Arm Stroke...Right Arm Swinging desroyed my playing career ...BUT has filled my "pockets" on the Lesson tee!!!
Maybe if I took lessons from Tommy or you DG things might have turned out differently...But now I teach "Tour Players", College Players, and Nationallly ranked Juniors....
I thank the Good Lord for Blessing me with tons of talented students to work with!!!!
Skywalker
PS... I DO NOT DISAGREE WITH YOU ...EVERYTHING YOU WRITE "IS" WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OR ON A TAPE...SOMEWHERE...IT JUST DIDN'T WORK FOR ME AS A PLAYER-COMPETITIOR
You're probably right...BUT I know shoulder and wrist throw are combinations in one of the editons...I'll find which one... Found IT 4th edition.....! 3rd Editon..Right arm throw .."ALL....Wrist throw ...B/D...NOW you're right 6th edition...the trigger combos changed in the transition from 3rd to 4th ...Why...Now....
My mistake Hand throw Right arm throw and Shoulder throw can be combo's...mabe that's what I meant...error..I'm prone to errors...mind races!!!!
Just because it's NOT in the 6th edition..doesn't make it right...I've seen the 7th edition notes...there are a lot of changes to the 6th ...I have every edition except the first...PLEASE check the trigger combinations in those editions you might find a different set of trigger combinations...As far as assembly points...I can assemble the power package any where I want...I can load with full sweep and take it to the End so that I can Top Arc...
Look at O'Grady...I learned from Him...Maybe I'm wrong...That's why I'm not an expert...I realize assembly of the power package and loading the pressure points are seperate but intertwined areas...
Mac said he was a 4-barrel Swinger...But I see a 3 barallel Hitting action...Maybe I just don't know what the he77 I'm doing...
Would you please show us some pictures or footage of the right arm swing either of yourself or others ...so that I can SEE the differences...Much appreciated.
BTW, I never liked SNAP and END too "whippy" were not hitting 1 irons any more...Don't need the high spin rates from that tend to result forom that loading procedure...Full Sweep then take it to the END...Very Controllable!!!! Contol..
.A machine in Control....A ....Mind out of control!!!!
Skywalker
By the way in my opinion the 6th edition has the MOST info, but written the poorest, the 2nd edition the LEAST info(probably not as complete) but most easily understood...just an opinion...everyone has one...MOST STINK!
You're probably right...BUT I know shoulder and wrist throw are combinations in one of the editons...I'll find which one... Found IT! 3rd Editon..right arm throw ..ALL....Wrist throw ...B/D...NOW you're right 6th edition...the trigger combo;s changed in the transition from 3rd to 4th ...Why...Now....
my mistake Hand throw Right arm throw and Shoulder throw can be combo's
Just because it's NOT in the 6th edition..doesn't make it right...I've seen the 7th edition notes...there are a lot of changes to the 6th ...I have every edition except the first...PLEASE check the trigger combinations in those editions you might find a different set of trigger combinations...As far as assembly points...I can assemble the power package any where I want...I can load with full sweep and take it to the End so that I can Top Arc...Look at O'Grady...Maybe I'm wrong...That's why I'm not an expert...I realize assembly of the power package and loading the pressure points are seperate but intertwined areas...Would you please show us some pictures or footage of the right arm swing either of yourself or others ...so that I can SEE the differences...Much appreciated.
Skywalker
By the way in my opinion the 6th edition has the MOST info, but written the poorest, the 2nd edition the LEAST info(probably not as complete) but most easily understood...just an opinion...everyone has one...MOST STINK!
Hmmm.....Just go to the LBG Classic Movie section of this site and you will see one of the top Right Arm Swingers....Mr. Tomasello himself....and when Lynn and company gets to it...the forum will get to see Mr. Tomasello demonstrate the exact swinging motion that Tommy describes in his GI July 1991 interview in a video that Tomasello made in May of 1992.
With all due respect..to Mr.Tomascello...I've seen his tapes...and his students...many of them...MANY of them are mine NOW...I've been adjusting a lot of machines...for a long time...14 years....His students...always have the club too far inside..below plane...
Why? Too much changing in the right wrist bend from address to start-up combine with a Standard pivot and pre-turned hips....Homer int the 7th edition notes that were discused with me shifted everyting to "Slide" Hip turn...and a "delayed" hip Action...that is much more compatible with the RFT....I'll tell you what ...You're a smart guy...you have an "OPEN" invitation to come down
We'll get together and I'll show you a 234 Slide Power Point Presentation that would " cause " an off the Richter Scale earthquake in all of "golfdom"....I originally made it for Mac O'Grady...But got Excommunicated...You'll absolutley love it....Guaranteed
Besides what made Tomascell a top notch instructor was NOT his level of understanding , But his unmatched "Believablity Factor" which is essential in this business...This comes from his many students who now work with me!!! NOT my opinion!
Linear Mode
