I don't really get into the push versus pull debate and all of the debate over what is the center of the swing because I really don't care about that type of stuff. All I care about is learning and knowing how to execute a proper swing that allows me to be most effective on the golf course. Don't get me wrong, I am not implying that the debate is pointless, I simply focus on how to execute and my learning stems from that. Consequently, I will tell you that right arm swinging as defined by Tomasello works magnificently!
I started as a hitter and transformed myself into a right arm swinger even though I still "hit" my chips. It was pretty simple to do using Tomasello's drill combined with Peter Crokers explanations. Particularly helpful is Tomasello's arm only drills as mentioned in Video 2 by Delaware Golf in an earlier post Interestingly enough, Yoda taught me the same drill to learn extensor action during one of my lessons with him some time ago.
Try it, I think you will like it!!
E.
Cheers Duke,
Yes, the extensor action drill is an excellent drill. Cheers to Yoda and Tommy for teaching it. And hey....Cheers to Homer for creating the concept!
First, I would suggest getting a copy of a webster's dictionary and lookup the word longitudinal....I believe websters captures the exact meaning of longitudinal that fits with the golf "SWING" and 10-19-C. Then I would re-read...10-19-C, 7-19, 10-3-K and especially 7-3 (Multlipe times, especially the last paragraph). You're getting closer to another ahhhh moment.....then watch the number 5 chapter series video on "Power" and the number 9 chapter series video on "hitting and swinging" and listen for the part where Tomasello says "One Smooth Motion".
DG
At first I was really confused when I studied these video 3 months back.. I even asked the question.. since Tom said push push push .. is he hitting?
Until...
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6-H-0 Imperatives
C. Take all Strokes to the Both Arms Straight Position (8-11).
A HIT or swing... so in a way... the right elbow have to straighten thus both have the element of "push" , Active by force+extensor action. Passive by extensor action,+ Gravity..
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3-F-6. EXECUTION All quick, jerky and wobbly motions are improper executions. Neither the Hands nor the Club are flipped or swished around haphazardly. blah blah...the whole paragraph...
No matter its a HIT or a swing.. It have to look like a "swinging" ...
Then... I understood.
Hitting does not give anybody the permission to HIT or hack at the ball. 6-H-0 , 3F6...
Though,
This is right arm swinging , or pushing... this is to describe an action(7-3). And what you had explained. Everything is fine until...
from the bible of TGM... I think its different from the "Right Arm Swing" , which is a named method. described in 7-19, linked to 10-3-k. Changing the center of the clubhead orbit .. thus bad for the elbow... Different.. but have the same name ...
Correct me if I am wrong David or anyone ..
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At first I was really confused when I studied these video 3 months back.. I even asked the question.. since Tom said push push push .. is he hitting?
Until...
--------------------
6-H-0 Imperatives
C. Take all Strokes to the Both Arms Straight Position (8-11).
A HIT or swing... so in a way... the right elbow have to straighten thus both have the element of "push" , Active by force+extensor action. Passive by extensor action,+ Gravity..
-------------------
3-F-6. EXECUTION All quick, jerky and wobbly motions are improper executions. Neither the Hands nor the Club are flipped or swished around haphazardly. blah blah...the whole paragraph...
No matter its a HIT or a swing.. It have to look like a "swinging" ...
Then... I understood.
Hitting does not give anybody the permission to HIT or hack at the ball. 6-H-0 , 3F6...
Though,
This is right arm swinging , or pushing... this is to describe an action(7-3). And what you had explained. Everything is fine until...
from the bible of TGM... I think its different from the "Right Arm Swing" , which is a named method. described in 7-19, linked to 10-3-k. Changing the center of the clubhead orbit .. thus bad for the elbow... Different.. but have the same name ...
Correct me if I am wrong David or anyone ..
Hmmm....where did Tomasello say Push, Push, Push????
At first I was really confused when I studied these video 3 months back.. I even asked the question.. since Tom said push push push .. is he hitting?
Until...
--------------------
6-H-0 Imperatives
C. Take all Strokes to the Both Arms Straight Position (8-11).
A HIT or swing... so in a way... the right elbow have to straighten thus both have the element of "push" , Active by force+extensor action. Passive by extensor action,+ Gravity..
-------------------
3-F-6. EXECUTION All quick, jerky and wobbly motions are improper executions. Neither the Hands nor the Club are flipped or swished around haphazardly. blah blah...the whole paragraph...
No matter its a HIT or a swing.. It have to look like a "swinging" ...
Then... I understood.
Hitting does not give anybody the permission to HIT or hack at the ball. 6-H-0 , 3F6...
Though,
This is right arm swinging , or pushing... this is to describe an action(7-3). And what you had explained. Everything is fine until...
from the bible of TGM... I think its different from the "Right Arm Swing" , which is a named method. described in 7-19, linked to 10-3-k. Changing the center of the clubhead orbit .. thus bad for the elbow... Different.. but have the same name ...
Correct me if I am wrong David or anyone ..
I have a list of problems, though I enjoy the listening to TT teach.
The right arm swing, which I never heard TT say, but, the stroke in Chapter Two is closer to a Hit stroke- IMHO. He stops at the End instead of the Top. He repeats Hit Down on the ball- Hit Down on the ball. No CF like the True Swing Stroke in Chapter Two that uses CF to throw out the club- the Law of the Flail. A beautiful stroke, btw. The Hit stroke in chapter nine is, as TT says, a Punch shot ("kick right and lose yardage.")- not the Hit Stroke Lynn Blake teaches. TT knew as much about the Hit Stroke as anyone of his time, or even up to 2003 -- very little, a punch shot at best. TT doesn't fully cock the left wrist, sometimes a zero out of acc2 in his Hit Stroke. If that punch shot was low and left, why not change alignments at impact fix and address? The Hit Stroke was not what TT wanted you to do.
Homer loved the Hit Stroke. He thought the Hit Stroke would CHANGE THE GAME. It certainly Changed Ted Fort's Game.
I am not criticizing TT’s Hitting procedure- it was what that stroke was thought to be, I believe. But I do feel that his right arm swing, is closer to a Hit stroke with HH action which would explain why the other Hit procedure is a punch shot.
I have a list of problems, though I enjoy the listening to TT teach.
The right arm swing, which I never heard TT say, but, the stroke in Chapter Two is closer to a Hit stroke- IMHO. He stops at the End instead of the Top. He repeats Hit Down on the ball- Hit Down on the ball. No CF like the True Swing Stroke in Chapter Two that uses CF to throw out the club- the Law of the Flail. A beautiful stroke, btw. The Hit stroke in chapter nine is, as TT says, a Punch shot ("kick right and lose yardage.")- not the Hit Stroke Lynn Blake teaches. TT knew as much about the Hit Stroke as anyone of his time, or even up to 2003 -- very little, a punch shot at best. TT doesn't fully cock the left wrist, sometimes a zero out of acc2 in his Hit Stroke. If that punch shot was low and left, why not change alignments at impact fix and address? The Hit Stroke was not what TT wanted you to do.
Homer loved the Hit Stroke. He thought the Hit Stroke would CHANGE THE GAME. It certainly Changed Ted Fort's Game.
I am not criticizing TT’s Hitting procedure- it was what that stroke was thought to be, I believe. But I do feel that his right arm swing, is closer to a Hit stroke with HH action which would explain why the other Hit procedure is a punch shot.
Tommy used the Magic of the Right Forearm (7-3) for both hitting and swinging...bottom line....one of the major concepts of TGM.
What Tommy taught was TGM....bottom line.
Who was conducting a PGA sectional meeting with Homer when Homer passed away....Tomasello. Tomasello did not deviate from TGM. Please do not make out Tomasello as a disconnected Authorized Instructor.
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 01-27-2007 at 01:50 AM.
Hmmm....where did Tomasello say Push, Push, Push????
DG
actually he said hit it hit it hit it in chapter 3- hands ... when he mentioned ben hogan. while he "pushes the hand out"
10:00 minutes of his video letter video 2.. push it down and out .. whatever u want to call it ... ( he said whatever you want to call it ! ^_^)
11.00 minutes of letter video 2 . DRAG DRAG DRAG.. another clue.. that its not pull motion through impact.. A different interpretition of the wrong thing.
dark red colour is what he said... the others my comment.
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actually he said hit it hit it hit it in chapter 3- hands ... when he mentioned ben hogan. while he "pushes the hand out"
10:00 minutes of his video letter video 2.. push it down and out .. whatever u want to call it ... ( he said whatever you want to call it ! ^_^)
11.00 minutes of letter video 2 . DRAG DRAG DRAG.. another clue.. that its not pull motion through impact.. A different interpretition of the wrong thing.
dark red colour is what he said... the others my comment.
Nuke,
I'm sorry you're in a state of confusion with what Tommy taught....it takes many hours to study to sort out what's on the two video series. Keep at it and eventually you'll get it. It took me approximately 10 years of off and on study to figure it out.
I have a list of problems, though I enjoy the listening to TT teach.
The right arm swing, which I never heard TT say, but, the stroke in Chapter Two is closer to a Hit stroke- IMHO. He stops at the End instead of the Top. He repeats Hit Down on the ball- Hit Down on the ball. No CF like the True Swing Stroke in Chapter Two that uses CF to throw out the club- the Law of the Flail. A beautiful stroke, btw. The Hit stroke in chapter nine is, as TT says, a Punch shot ("kick right and lose yardage.")- not the Hit Stroke Lynn Blake teaches. TT knew as much about the Hit Stroke as anyone of his time, or even up to 2003 -- very little, a punch shot at best. TT doesn't fully cock the left wrist, sometimes a zero out of acc2 in his Hit Stroke. If that punch shot was low and left, why not change alignments at impact fix and address? The Hit Stroke was not what TT wanted you to do.
Homer loved the Hit Stroke. He thought the Hit Stroke would CHANGE THE GAME. It certainly Changed Ted Fort's Game.
I am not criticizing TT’s Hitting procedure- it was what that stroke was thought to be, I believe. But I do feel that his right arm swing, is closer to a Hit stroke with HH action which would explain why the other Hit procedure is a punch shot.
Actually Comdpa said it clearly to me and it took me a while to understand this.
Tom is just teaching 7-3.. Swinging ..even in letter 2... (pls see my last post where he is quoted.) and in his short strokes .. performing mini push basic stroke ( his version).
Don't get caught up with terms, literally, for example .. DRAG does not mean literally dragging . Hit does not mean literally Hitting.
Must study everything in context ... and must try to understand what the AI and Homer Kelly trying to tell you instead taking word literally...
I finally could appreciate more of what Justin told me at one stage where i am super dooper confused " Who cares what its called, as long as you know how to do it and do it correctly".. Wise word from a "young" man.
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Latest incubator: Finally appreciate why Hogan wrote 19 pages on GRIP. I bet he could write another 40 pages.
I'm sorry you're in a state of confusion with what Tommy taught....it takes many hours to study to sort out what's on the two video series. Keep at it and eventually you'll get it. It took me approximately 10 years of off and on study to figure it out.
DG
Why i am confused?... I think i understood finally.
__________________
God :God is love.
Latest incubator: Finally appreciate why Hogan wrote 19 pages on GRIP. I bet he could write another 40 pages.
I have a list of problems, though I enjoy the listening to TT teach.
The right arm swing, which I never heard TT say, but, the stroke in Chapter Two is closer to a Hit stroke- IMHO. He stops at the End instead of the Top. He repeats Hit Down on the ball- Hit Down on the ball. No CF like the True Swing Stroke in Chapter Two that uses CF to throw out the club- the Law of the Flail. A beautiful stroke, btw. The Hit stroke in chapter nine is, as TT says, a Punch shot ("kick right and lose yardage.")- not the Hit Stroke Lynn Blake teaches. TT knew as much about the Hit Stroke as anyone of his time, or even up to 2003 -- very little, a punch shot at best. TT doesn't fully cock the left wrist, sometimes a zero out of acc2 in his Hit Stroke. If that punch shot was low and left, why not change alignments at impact fix and address? The Hit Stroke was not what TT wanted you to do.
Homer loved the Hit Stroke. He thought the Hit Stroke would CHANGE THE GAME. It certainly Changed Ted Fort's Game.
I am not criticizing TT’s Hitting procedure- it was what that stroke was thought to be, I believe. But I do feel that his right arm swing, is closer to a Hit stroke with HH action which would explain why the other Hit procedure is a punch shot.
BTW, Tommy taught a 3 barrel hitting stroke (right out of the book)....Lynn's teaching a 4 barrel hitting procedure. I hope that clears up the confusion. I believe Tom Tomasello thought deeply about how to apply TGM to the golf course.
I believe everyone needs to get past the stroke patterns and see how Tomasello brilliantly approached the game through TGM. That's what seperates Tomasello from the rest of the AI's. Tommy gave the golfer the ability to use hitting and swinging with the three hinges in the most effective and efficient manner (Power and Precision and the ability to face any golf course condition). I have yet to see a more logical approach.
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 01-27-2007 at 01:48 AM.
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