First I hope you notice the sit down, centering, stable head and using ground forces in these shots. I still see this is more arm adduction than forearm rotation. Also in Sergio, does he lay off the club at the beginning of start down? ie lose his wrist cup or arch his wrist in addition to everything else he does. More importantly as cool as this is in the baseball swing is this desirable in the golf swing. I don't think so. Shouldn't we keep it simple and on plane. Isn't the shortest point between two lines a straight line. If the club lays on plane at impact and if it is off plane at the top doesn't this require compensations. Should we get rid of the lasers pointing thingys and go to the baseball model. Bucket are you helping or corrupting us?
Oh sure Doc! I know there is WHOLE LOT MORE going on than just this forearm deal . . . It's a WHOLE BODY move . . .
AND I think there's probably a whole lot more that goes into being on plane than just "laser pointing" . . . I think there are some dynamics involved with the forces and speed involved in the golf swing . . .
First I hope you notice the sit down, centering, stable head and using ground forces in these shots. I still see this is more arm adduction than forearm rotation. Also in Sergio, does he lay off the club at the beginning of start down? ie lose his wrist cup or arch his wrist in addition to everything else he does. More importantly as cool as this is in the baseball swing is this desirable in the golf swing. I don't think so. Shouldn't we keep it simple and on plane. Isn't the shortest point between two lines a straight line. If the club lays on plane at impact and if it is off plane at the top doesn't this require compensations. Should we get rid of the lasers pointing thingys and go to the baseball model. Bucket are you helping or corrupting us?
Yah, my thoughts too. Homer wouldnt change Sergio or Furyk I dont think, not at this point. He believed planar was the simple way to go but the not so simple procedures if repeatable were just as effective mechanically. The "if repeatable" part is the big question. You wouldnt want to teach Furyks swing for instance. You wouldnt build that complicated a machine given simpler options.
That said Im interested in the idea there may be an advantage to the Sergio , Zoro torque move.
That'd make for a mechanical advantage to plane shifting. If so Im in........but to be honest at this point I think, for the golfer anyways, it may feel powerful in that the #3pp is loading a little harder maybe but its not really adding power and is geometrically challenged........ but please .....change my mind. Thats why Im here.
It is weird how the baseball players change planes by about 90 degrees.....way more than a golfer. They dont have to roll a number 3 angle either at impact , the bat has no hooked face. Its a similar motion , interestingly , confusingly ......but not the same deal, exactly.
I dunno. I did play in front of Blue Jays once who were freakin long, crazy long.
Do you have this whole sequence? It looks like the shaft is actually wanting to steepen out from frame 3 to frame 4 . . .
I grabbed those from a video above in this post.
Yes agreed he gets flat then gets it aligned better , perhaps when his pivot supplies some CF.
He's got some hand manipulation going on in Startup and in Startdown. Not as simple as Hogan but he is the modern manifestation of the Golfers Flail. I think he loves the feeling of the flail and thats what drives his look in startdown. Its flail prep as he rotates his wrist watch skyward in preparation to go the other way. His Right Elbow tucks Pitch too . I dunno.
The Batters hands travel on a horizontal Plane while the end of the Bat lowers into alignment. Less inertia to overcome until the Pivot is fully underway. Sergio seems to leave the Clubhead at the Top while Lowing his hands to the Plane. Less inertia to overcome until the Pivot is fully underway. At the Top, Frame 1 and 2, Sergio "Swivels" during the Initial Start-down to Align the Flying Wedges for Horizontal Hinging. Notice that his Hands - #3 PP, at the Top, are Aligned against the Primary Lever while his Right Elbow is "Pitched" and already Aligned to receive Loading from the Clubshaft (Secondary Lever). The Batter has his Right Elbow in a "Punch" Alignment which moves into a Pitch Alignment during the Downstroke to Align for Horizontal Hinging.
The Batters hands travel on a horizontal Plane while the end of the Bat lowers into alignment. Less inertia to overcome until the Pivot is fully underway. Sergio seems to leave the Clubhead at the Top while Lowing his hands to the Plane. Less inertia to overcome until the Pivot is fully underway. At the Top, Frame 1 and 2, Sergio "Swivels" during the Initial Start-down to Align the Flying Wedges for Horizontal Hinging. Notice that his Hands - #3 PP, at the Top, are Aligned against the Primary Lever while his Right Elbow is "Pitched" and already Aligned to receive Loading from the Clubshaft (Secondary Lever). The Batter has his Right Elbow in a "Punch" Alignment which moves into a Pitch Alignment during the Downstroke to Align for Horizontal Hinging.
Flip Release. Sergio has a great, great swing.
Physics/Dynamics seem to be throwing the club on plane to me . . . . beautiful stuff here . . . what is your assessment of this elbow position?
Not sure about Horizontal Hinging . . . .
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Physics/Dynamics seem to be throwing the club on plane to me . . . . beautiful stuff here . . . what is your assessment of this elbow position?
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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket
Not sure about Horizontal Hinging . . . .
He came into it Aligned with a Horizontal Hinge. I don't know what happened. Grip? Flashing Hands? He does have a cocked right wrist, so he may steer a little but I think that he's too good for that. Maybe his right hand grip is a little weak?
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