At what point does basic become acquired and then full

[Mike O]

Hi Guy's
Thanks for your replies,
I got anwsers I was looking for. I beleive that it is almost impossible to use a clock system to train the hands to determine positions on movements with the golf machine.
I know Pelz uses it for distance relating to length of the swing for the short game and I was thinking is it possible to help others to understand the shift from Basis to the Acquired positions.
What I have in my studio for teaching is a swing plane board and a Large mirror opposite the board. when I swing and just feel positions it feels good. but when I look in the mirror which has lines it does not feel right.
What feels right to me is 2 feet back 2 feet through for a basis and once past that point and I start to use the hinge it becomes a acqiured motion.
I am going to stick with feel rather than points of change that pelz uses.
Yoda's videos with collin sum it up 100%.
Thanks for all your feedback guy's
Hope this makes sense.
Thanks Guy's
Addam

Good Luck with the teaching and the game. I have to admit now- I have no idea what your question was- how it was answered- what your intent was, etc.- nor do I need or want to know.

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[nuke99]

I got a question..


Do you guys teach Basic motion with One or 3 accumulators?

[bray]

Your question- your answers
Basic- 7 to 5
Acquired- 8 to 4
Full- individually determined depending on flexibility, etc.-

Mike,

Shouldn't Basic and Acquired end in the same spot because both swings are going to follow through (both arms straight)???? So they both would end at 5 o'clock let's say.


Sorting Through the Golf Nut's Catalog.

B-Ray

[Mike O]

Mike,

Shouldn't Basic and Acquired end in the same spot because both swings are going to follow through (both arms straight)???? So they both would end at 5 o'clock let's say.


Sorting Through the Golf Nut's Catalog.

B-Ray

First, I'd like to adjust my previous post where I said "In the Golfing Machine the Right forearm level to the ground is the measurement for acquired motion". and say that Acquired motion is any motion that has a backswing end, after the Basic motion (About two feet with the clubhead) and does not "exceed the level-to-the-ground position of the Right Forearm". (There - got that one out of the way!) (Realizing that Basic, Acquired and Full Motion- really are slower motions- look, look, look "drills"- learning situations)

B-Ray Quote:
"Shouldn't Basic and Acquired end in the same spot because both swings are going to follow through (both arms straight)???? So they both would end at 5 o'clock let's say."
Where both arms become straight at the same time (the end of the follow-through) is primarily determined when the hands are in a mid-body location (ruling out clavicle adduction and abduction). In Basic Motion with no shoulder turn- you'll reach follow-through sooner than in Acquired Motion where you have some shoulder turn/movement that creates a more turned body through impact and the end of the follow-through interval- all other things being equal.

Assuming there is upper body rotation from impact to the end of the follow-through- then his definition in 8-11 isn't really a good one- as he uses impact shoulder location as the determining factor of when the end of the follow-through interval would be acheived.

Hope that helps.

[bray]

Mike O,

Thanks for the reply......so you're saying that the pivot carries the follow through a little further up the clock in Acquired Motion.

I get it. Thanks for clarifying.

Always Learning.

Sorting Through the Instructor's Textbook.

B-Ray

[Mike O]

Mike O,

Thanks for the reply......so you're saying that the pivot carries the follow through a little further up the clock in Acquired Motion.

I get it. Thanks for clarifying.

Always Learning.

Sorting Through the Instructor's Textbook.

B-Ray

Same with me- I just have a "few" years on you! However, I'd love to turn back the clock to when I was 25!

[neil]

I got a question..


Do you guys teach Basic motion with One or 3 accumulators?

I don't teach ,but Basic motion should be done with only acc #s 1and 4.
Acquired Motion ,strictly speaking ,has zero pivot -except shoulder turn.

[12 piece bucket]

Same with me- I just have a "few" years on you! However, I'd love to turn back the clock to when I was 25!

Please . . . there's no difference between you now and 25 . . . you still have the same mullet, bad breath, stank feet, and butter sticks for teeth . . . you just have more nose and ear hair and less brain cells. What's the difference? You just need Foghat to make a new album and you're golden.

[12 piece bucket]

primarily determined when the hands are in a mid-body location (ruling out clavicle adduction and abduction).

Hey Festus . . . I think we have a Forum Rules violation here . . . this is way beyond PG-13 I think.

[Bagger Lance]

Hey Festus . . . I think we have a Forum Rules violation here . . . this is way beyond PG-13 I think.

Welcome back Ned. You were missed in a very odd way.
What did you and MikeO do to the site?
I come home from watching the new Bourne movie and its locked up. MikeO was the last guy doing something before it crashed. Did you tell him he was a hack?