I have often heard the argument where one person argues that any swing that makes it on the PGA Tour is a good way to swing the golf club and when there are components of swings that show up again and again then those are obviously even more important. The contrary viewpoint is the person that doesn't possess the tour pros's time or talent cannot rely on what the pros do in order to obtain a swing philosophy/methodology. Much like most of us probably cannot use MIT professors techniques for solving advanced math problems, lack the talent and the time to learn.
I wonder if both sides are wrong to an extent. For my argument I will consider an average golfer (about a 20 handicap) trying to break into the single digit ranks. I think they would be silly to try and copy a tour players swing, or even come up with a composite of several very effective pros swings. On the other hand, I don't think that what the pros do should be completely thrown out. The question really isn't whether someone can do what the pros do with a lot of practice, but what path or direction is the person going toward. I think Homer Kelley had the best answer of all. Eliminate the snares and improve the 3 imperatives. In this way, you are doing working toward a tour quality swing but you do not have to be boggled down in interpreting whether something is simply a mannerism or a fundamental. Further, by working on one problem at a time you are not taking on more than you can handle, so you might be able to play fairly well during a swing change and while heading down a path that will lead to a much more fundamentally correct golf swing.
I am curious what other people think of this debate. If some swing is on tour does that make it right? Or are these men and women so talented that they could strike the ball extremely well swinging in a phone booth.
Matt
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"In my experience, if you stay with the essentials you WILL build a repeatable swing undoubtedly. If you can master the Imperatives you have a champion" (Vikram).
The reason you can't sustain the lag is because you are so eager to make the club move fast (a reaction to the intent of "hitting it far"). So on a full shot you throw it away too early, which doesn't happen for your short chip. (bts)
Impact. Everything in the golf swing comes down to impact. Impact. You can get there a thousand different ways, but Impact is what separates a great ball striker from a hack.
A PGA pro is a very good ball striker, but he's a great, very great Golfer.
People need to learn to pivot and move their arms & hands in such a way that allows them to control where the club bottoms out . . . then it becomes a game of controlling the face . . . .
People need to learn to pivot and move their arms & hands in such a way that allows them to control where the club bottoms out . . . then it becomes a game of controlling the face . . . .
Great content and concise
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"In my experience, if you stay with the essentials you WILL build a repeatable swing undoubtedly. If you can master the Imperatives you have a champion" (Vikram).
The reason you can't sustain the lag is because you are so eager to make the club move fast (a reaction to the intent of "hitting it far"). So on a full shot you throw it away too early, which doesn't happen for your short chip. (bts)
Impact. Everything in the golf swing comes down to impact. Impact. You can get there a thousand different ways, but Impact is what separates a great ball striker from a hack.
A PGA pro is a very good ball striker, but he's a great, very great Golfer.
Daryl,
I respectfully disagree. Having taught thousands of beginners, impact is what causes them to fail, in a sense it is steering. I think the fact that Homer did not make it a station means that we should never try to create impact, only use it as analyses of the motion. Address, top, finish, in that order with no wobble and in balance. When I teach students to pass through finish on plane with lag pressure, impact takes care of itself.
As far as tour pros go, use what is good and disregard the rest. Once again, Focus on the the triad and you can't go wrong.
Impact. Everything in the golf swing comes down to impact. Impact. You can get there a thousand different ways, but Impact is what separates a great ball striker from a hack.
A PGA pro is a very good ball striker, but he's a great, very great Golfer.
So true.... a very good ball striker and a very great Golfer (which to me means a great putter, with a great short game and a "great mind" that allows him to play at that level).
I continue to be amazed at the quality of shots that are made at what has arguably become the biggest stage in golf.... the Ryder Cup. The fact that these humans can "step it up" like they do tells me they posess something that I am unable to relate to.
I think the average golfer would improve overnight if they committed to using acquired motion on the course until they could consistently trace a straight plane line, maintain lag, and employ a consistent hinge action. Until acquired motion is easy there is no sense in overcomplicating the swing. Besides, one can hit it very near the same distance, maybe even further for the average golfer by employing an acquired motion with solid contact and WITHOUT overaccelerating.
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"In my experience, if you stay with the essentials you WILL build a repeatable swing undoubtedly. If you can master the Imperatives you have a champion" (Vikram).
The reason you can't sustain the lag is because you are so eager to make the club move fast (a reaction to the intent of "hitting it far"). So on a full shot you throw it away too early, which doesn't happen for your short chip. (bts)
I respectfully disagree. Having taught thousands of beginners impact is what causes them to fail, in a sense it is steering. I think the fact that Homer did not make it a station means that we should never try to create impact, only use it as analyses of the motion. Address, top, finish, in that order with no wobble and in balance. When I teach students to pass through finish on plane with lag pressure, impact takes care of itself.
As far as tour pros go, use what is good and disregard the rest. Once again, Focus on the the triad and you can't go wrong.
Have you all gone MAD? Yes, the beginners fail at Impact, otherwise they'd all be Pro's.
I'm going to CAll Yoda Directly. I'm going to have "Reserved" seats and Name Tags for the Day-before-TGM-cram-session. I got 4 more names just from this thread only.
Coordinating the arm swing with the pivot is gibberish?
If I make it to the school I imagine I'll have more to learn than anyone else in attendance so I don't take it as an insult!
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"In my experience, if you stay with the essentials you WILL build a repeatable swing undoubtedly. If you can master the Imperatives you have a champion" (Vikram).
The reason you can't sustain the lag is because you are so eager to make the club move fast (a reaction to the intent of "hitting it far"). So on a full shot you throw it away too early, which doesn't happen for your short chip. (bts)
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