I don't mean to butt-in, however it's not how fast the pivot moves, but how far. How Far and not quitting is more important than speed. Having the COG closer to Low Point is important as VJ Trolio describes, but you need to keep your Right Hip going through. Every 1" of Hip Travel equates to Clubhead Speed. So quitting 1" to soon will reduce Clubhead Speed.
Why is it that people play the ball back in their stance?
Daryl,
No need to apologise for butting in, in fact I am the one who threadjacked this in the first place!
Why do you think how far the hips travels is more important than speed? Not that I necessarily agree or disagree, just wondering where that comes from. Also, what role (if any) do you think that pivot braking plays in all of this? It seems to me, that to maximize the effectiveness of the pivot, the hips have to move a certain distance and a certain speed, with maximum speed being attained at a certain point....and with the hips slowing down and transferring their momentum to the shoulders at a certain rate and at a certain point...agree or disagree?
No need to apologise for butting in, in fact I am the one who threadjacked this in the first place!
Why do you think how far the hips travels is more important than speed? Not that I necessarily agree or disagree, just wondering where that comes from. Also, what role (if any) do you think that pivot braking plays in all of this? It seems to me, that to maximize the effectiveness of the pivot, the hips have to move a certain distance and a certain speed, with maximum speed being attained at a certain point....and with the hips slowing down and transferring their momentum to the shoulders at a certain rate and at a certain point...agree or disagree?
Clay
Pivot Lag. As soon as the Hips stop moving forward or slow, the Shoulders slow then Arms, Hands and Clubhead. #3 PP should have strong Pressure at least until Both Arms Straight. Driven by the Pivot.
What good is going fast if you can’t sustain the Lag. Besides, people have different speeds. People with fast Hips won’t hit the ball any farther unless they can move that Right Hip a long Way Through Impact.
“The greatest hazard this Component faces if the belief that “Effort” is “Power.” No amount of effort will produce more than a player’s maximum turning speed. Regardless of effort you simply cannot push anything faster than you can run. Mechanical Advantage (1-H) must be utilized making Clubhead acceleration on “Overtaking” process (2-P, 6-M-1). However, tremendous energy can be consumed in trying to offset conflicting alignments, without ever achieving the player’s full speed potential. Study 5-0 in this connection.”
Please keep in mind that Most Golfers (maybe 95%) do not move their Right Hip Far enough. You though, may have more than adequate Right Hip Travel. But, if you find yourself moving the ball back in your stance for Irons, then you probably don’t either and you simply have not learned to Pivot in a way that allows for one Ball Position. If you play the Ball back in your stance, then it’s because your Hands simply are not getting to the ball if played just behind Low Point. That’s a Pivot Problem.
First learn to Pivot, then learn to go faster, IF your Body can Handle it. Mine can't!!! I'm 6 feet tall, 200 pounds, and My Pivot is too powerful for my arms and hands to handle. I'm very Strong but my arms simply cannot handle the Pressure that my Pivot can put on them. My Hands know, and they Tell me to take it down a notch. Honestly, during my downswing, my Hands are Telling my Pivot to cool it.
What good is going fast if you can’t sustain the Lag. Besides, people have different speeds. People with fast Hips won’t hit the ball any farther unless they can move that Right Hip a long Way Through Impact.
Bucket you are the picture guy, would Lehman and Waldorf be counterexamples?
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"In my experience, if you stay with the essentials you WILL build a repeatable swing undoubtedly. If you can master the Imperatives you have a champion" (Vikram).
The reason you can't sustain the lag is because you are so eager to make the club move fast (a reaction to the intent of "hitting it far"). So on a full shot you throw it away too early, which doesn't happen for your short chip. (bts)
Well, I think in a VJ Trolio "secret" type swing, the right shoulder is ready to be on plane right at the beginning of the downswing
Didn't Hogan keep the left shoulder lower in the beginning of the downswing (consequently right shoulder higher) than many players? Hogan had a very flat shoulder turn with the driver, but I think he kept the right shoulder higher longer (so a MORAD like shoulder move in the downswing, not backswing)
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"In my experience, if you stay with the essentials you WILL build a repeatable swing undoubtedly. If you can master the Imperatives you have a champion" (Vikram).
The reason you can't sustain the lag is because you are so eager to make the club move fast (a reaction to the intent of "hitting it far"). So on a full shot you throw it away too early, which doesn't happen for your short chip. (bts)
Is there such a thing as the right hip traveling too far, or do you think Michelle Wie, Ty Tryon and other Gumby finishes add distance?
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"In my experience, if you stay with the essentials you WILL build a repeatable swing undoubtedly. If you can master the Imperatives you have a champion" (Vikram).
The reason you can't sustain the lag is because you are so eager to make the club move fast (a reaction to the intent of "hitting it far"). So on a full shot you throw it away too early, which doesn't happen for your short chip. (bts)
Is there such a thing as the right hip traveling too far, or do you think Michelle Wie, Ty Tryon and other Gumby finishes add distance?
Your Right Hip can only Travel So Far because the Finish is just around the corner so to speak. If your Power Package is Wobble Free, then no, the Right Hip Can't Travel too far.
Pivot Lag. As soon as the Hips stop moving forward or slow, the Shoulders slow then Arms, Hands and Clubhead. #3 PP should have strong Pressure at least until Both Arms Straight. Driven by the Pivot.
Is the pivot still driving at impact? I'm sure tha it is still moving but is it driving?
How much driving can pivot do once the 4th accumulator has been released?
Is the pivot still driving at impact? I'm sure tha it is still moving but is it driving?
How much driving can pivot do once the 4th accumulator has been released?
All above assumes swinger.
At Impact, my Pivot is at its strongest. It slows after Both Arms Straight.
Do this: Stand in a Doorway. Face the Hinges. Take your Left Foot and put your left Heal against the inside of the Door Jamb. Your Right Foot is inside the Room. Take your posture. Using your Right Leg, move your Right hip toward the door casing. Your Left Hip will hit the casing first. Keep pushing with your Right Leg. About 100 pounds of pressure so far and you haven't even added Hip Action yet!!! You better use a folded towel or you'll hurt your left hip. If you did this behind a 4,000 pound car, you can push it with just your hip and Right Leg.
Do you get how to do this drill? I might be able to explain it better.
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