This is an interesting study. I have noticed that with many of the Max Trigger Delay players, that the right shoulder stays high longer into the downswing-- Hogan, Garcia, Clampett, O'Grady... and some of the Plummer and Bennett players, like Baddeley, have some of this. One of the questions here, is how do these players get the club down to Release Point? If the right shoulder is not bringing the club down, then some other part of the Pivot is, unless they have an arm drop independent of the Pivot... either with the Straightening Right Arm, or Gravity.
Hold your Left Wrist with your Right Hand at the top of the Swing. Keep holding it during Startdown.
Lateral Shift to get the Right Shoulder Downplane forces the Left Shoulder Up-Plane. But if you don't let go of your Left Wrist, then your Left Arm will not come away from your chest. If you don't hold your left arm it comes away almost immediately.
Anti-Extensor action, you can hold the club up and delay letting it move away from the Right Shoulder.
This is an interesting study. I have noticed that with many of the Max Trigger Delay players, that the right shoulder stays high longer into the downswing-- Hogan, Garcia, Clampett, O'Grady... and some of the Plummer and Bennett players, like Baddeley, have some of this. One of the questions here, is how do these players get the club down to Release Point? If the right shoulder is not bringing the club down, then some other part of the Pivot is, unless they have an arm drop independent of the Pivot... either with the Straightening Right Arm, or Gravity.
What do you think?
Well, type of shoulder turn will make a difference.
High right shoulder into the downstroke, but not high at impact. The right shoulder still drives downplane and delivers the club to releae and impact. A couple of the players mentioned have very connected pivots, the arms and body work very much together. One has a rotated shoulder turn, and one standard.
This gets at what Bucket's been talking about with the pivot's relationship to plane angle. For example a rotated shoulder turn with a elbow plane downstroke is going to provide a right shoulder that stays higher longer. But, it doesn't stay high through impact, the arms and club still work downplane with the body. It just doesn't drop at startdown due to axis tilt.
You have also have to consider the shot desired and how the body must work to accomplish the desired trajectory and curvature.
This is an interesting study. I have noticed that with many of the Max Trigger Delay players, that the right shoulder stays high longer into the downswing-- Hogan, Garcia, Clampett, O'Grady... and some of the Plummer and Bennett players, like Baddeley, have some of this. One of the questions here, is how do these players get the club down to Release Point? If the right shoulder is not bringing the club down, then some other part of the Pivot is, unless they have an arm drop independent of the Pivot... either with the Straightening Right Arm, or Gravity.
What do you think?
No I think you are sniffin' on it HARD man . . . Seems to me that trigger delay can be greater if the right shoulder stays higher longer . . .BUT the key is what plane angle are you on . . . those guys you mentioned are elbow plane guys. So they kinda stay more on top of it and spin open more . . . Why plane angle . . . Hands and club have to get out more and then go in and around more. Some dudes do go elbow plane and hang back . . . Elk and Faxon would be examples. They really push their hands forward.
Look at the differences in the these two motions . . .
Hogan looks way more forward and right shoulder higher longer . . . more trigger delay . .. steeper angle of attack . . . flatter plane . . . more rotary . . . right shoulder goes down later . . . if it went down early he'd be stuck and too under plane and never be able to get his hands going around to the left enough to comply with the plane. Hands in and down at top . .. exit low and left but ON PLANE.
Nicklaus' shoulder goes down right from the jump . . . has to or the club will be out and over . . . head stays back . . . sweepy release . . . hands are high at top . . club exits high and hands go high
Hold your Left Wrist with your Right Hand at the top of the Swing. Keep holding it during Startdown.
Lateral Shift to get the Right Shoulder Downplane forces the Left Shoulder Up-Plane. But if you don't let go of your Left Wrist, then your Left Arm will not come away from your chest. If you don't hold your left arm it comes away almost immediately.
Anti-Extensor action, you can hold the club up and delay letting it move away from the Right Shoulder.
When you hold your hand up there . .. the right shoulder is staying higher Beavis.
This is an interesting study. I have noticed that with many of the Max Trigger Delay players, that the right shoulder stays high longer into the downswing-- Hogan, Garcia, Clampett, O'Grady... and some of the Plummer and Bennett players, like Baddeley, have some of this. One of the questions here, is how do these players get the club down to Release Point? If the right shoulder is not bringing the club down, then some other part of the Pivot is, unless they have an arm drop independent of the Pivot... either with the Straightening Right Arm, or Gravity.
What do you think?
I hope that Comdpa does not mind me using his Youtube swing as an example... but he has built his swing using TGM and has a very max trigger delay component. Comdpa knows his TGM pretty well - just do a search under his name and you get "yodic" like posts!
His right shoulder is pretty high when the shaft starts to move away from his shoulder region.... it still moves down plane.
When you hold your hand up there . .. the right shoulder is staying higher Beavis.
Your right shoulder stays higher the sooner you release accumulator 4.
To me that inevitably means that the power package is being pushed by the pivot for less time... but it does not mean that it can not be pushed very hard and fiercely over a small period of time before release... Hogan's instip hip turn acceleration ? maybe - or whatever Homer called it...I think that Yoda recalls Homer describing it was Hogan who inspired that concept.
Accumulator 4 releases... can i just check that i understand it correctly - is when the left upper arm moves from above the nipple line to below the nipple line... assuming youthful breast tissue ... and continues onwards towards left arm at 90 degrees to shoulder/nipple line... because at impact your left arm is pretty much at 90 degrees to your shoulders/nipple line.... so it definitely releases from above nipple line...
I take it that it is not describing the left arm coming away from the left armpit region...there is still some connection there ( although not forced).
Is that right?
So if you release 4 early....you keep right shoulder higher.... gives more time for sequencing of accumulators...less overlap...more velocity...is that right...somewhere it says more overlap more thrust...less overlap more velocity...
Your right shoulder stays higher the sooner you release accumulator 4.
To me that inevitably means that the power package is being pushed by the pivot for less time... but it does not mean that it can not be pushed very hard and fiercely over a small period of time before release... Hogan's instip hip turn acceleration ? maybe - or whatever Homer called it...I think that Yoda recalls Homer describing it was Hogan who inspired that concept.
Accumulator 4 releases... can i just check that i understand it correctly - is when the left upper arm moves from above the nipple line to below the nipple line... assuming youthful breast tissue ... and continues onwards towards left arm at 90 degrees to shoulder/nipple line... because at impact your left arm is pretty much at 90 degrees to your shoulders/nipple line.... so it definitely releases from above nipple line...
I take it that it is not describing the left arm coming away from the left armpit region...there is still some connection there ( although not forced).
Is that right?
So if you release 4 early....you keep right shoulder higher.... gives more time for sequencing of accumulators...less overlap...more velocity...is that right...somewhere it says more overlap more thrust...less overlap more velocity...
Some of that but the sequence is 4-1-2-3 right . . . left arm is check reign on the right elbow so if the left arm doesn't blast the angles stay longer right? So what blasts the angles? Right right shoulder right?
But this is a different deal . . . take your hands to the top deep and flat . .. push your hips forward and drop your right shoulder right off the bat . . . . . what does the club do???
Do the same thing but this time take your hands high and do the same thing what does the club do??
Considering the plane and making that move hip slide and right shoulder down which plane does it work with? If you want to stay on the plane?
The Right Shoulder doesn't stay Higher.
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