Float Loading's Downstroke Right Elbow -- Bend With Stretch
Originally Posted by lagster
Some players may even visualize both arms as Ropes, especially with some Float Loading Procedures.
The art form of Float Loading (10-19-B) is to increase the bend in the Right Elbow -- a right biceps action necessary for the Downstroke Left Wristcock (7-3; 10-21-D/E) -- without losing Extensor Action (the Right Triceps stretching of the Left Arm via Pressure Point #1 / the heel of the Right Hand against he Left Hand thumb / 6-B-1-D).
Despite Float-Loading's characteristic 'gentle and lazy' Motion, the Power Package is always structured -- never 'flimsy' -- and its Execution is always deliberate and positive, never 'wobbly' (3-F-6). This Structure -- Left Arm and Right Forearm Flying Wedges glued together and stretched with Extensor Action -- is identical to that of Drive and Drag Loading (10-19-A/C).
I have probably blithered on this point before but right arm participation was my epiphany. It would have been a theophany but I still have to execute! Golf for a right hander is a left handed game is what those that meant well told me! Initially I favored hitting because it reinforced the discovery of my bionic right arm! But as Yoda confirms the right arm is not passive for swinging. I think muscular thrust is far more drastic than most people think...and are not really doing it when they think they are. Why? Extensor Action was unknown to them in both thought and practice. Extensor action had me feeling that my right tricep was driving when in reality it was not. I thought I had "switter's multiple personalities' disorder for a while there. I even thought about becoming a hitter! So...I think learning to hit is helpful in understanding the possibilities of the right arm...then you decide. For twenty years I attempted to keep my right hand out of it, only to reduce my right arm to a shackled villian. Bent and level right wrist takes care of the flapping right hand...now let the right arm's attempt to always straighten along with the corresponding checkrein of the left arm provide the structure you need. If you are a righty it is a right handed game. Period. That way you can giver er' hell!
The art form of Float Loading (10-19-B) is to increase the bend in the Right Elbow -- a right biceps action necessary for the Downstroke Left Wristcock (7-3; 10-21-D/E) -- without losing Extensor Action (the Right Triceps stretching of the Left Arm via Pressure Point #1 / the heel of the Right Hand against he Left Hand thumb / 6-B-1-D).
Despite Float-Loading's characteristic 'gentle and lazy' Motion, the Power Package is always structured -- never 'flimsy' -- and its Execution is always deliberate and positive, never 'wobbly' (3-F-6). This Structure -- Left Arm and Right Forearm Flying Wedges glued together and stretched with Extensor Action -- is identical to that of Drive and Drag Loading (10-19-A/C).
Bottom line:
It's okay to think of the Arms as ropes . . .
As long as you think of those ropes as stretched.
This is fantastic Yoda! You wrote something along these lines several years ago that I found when searching "float loading" and I guess sometimes I just have to hear something a few times to truly get it! Question for you Yoda, do you think Hogan embodied this structured float loading?
Thanks again for this and all you do!
Matt
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The reason you can't sustain the lag is because you are so eager to make the club move fast (a reaction to the intent of "hitting it far"). So on a full shot you throw it away too early, which doesn't happen for your short chip. (bts)
The Left Wristcock is not properly a function of the Wrist Muscles. Instead, it is the product of Right Elbow Bend (7-3). With Hitting, Right Elbow Action causes Muscle Power to Cock the Wrist. With Swinging, Right Elbow Motion permits Centrifugal Force to Cock the Wrist. Either way, there is normally no Left Wristcock unless the Right Elbow bends. This is true whether the Wrist is Cocked on the Backstroke or on the Downstroke.
With Float Loading, the Wrist is Cocked -- and the Right Elbow is further bent -- on the Downstroke. And this is accomplished with a characteristic 'gentle, even lazy' motion that does not disrupt the required Power Package structure. Herein lies the challenge: You must increase the Right Elbow bend (to affect the Wristcock) while simultaneously applying Right Triceps Extensor Action(to maintain structure).
Learning to bend the Right Elbow while simultaneously making the steady effort to straighten it is no small feat. But it can be done and is worthy of the attempt.
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"In my experience, if you stay with the essentials you WILL build a repeatable swing undoubtedly. If you can master the Imperatives you have a champion" (Vikram).
The reason you can't sustain the lag is because you are so eager to make the club move fast (a reaction to the intent of "hitting it far"). So on a full shot you throw it away too early, which doesn't happen for your short chip. (bts)
You must increase the Right Elbow bend (to affect the Wristcock) while simultaneously applying Right Triceps Extensor Action(to maintain structure).
Learning to bend the Right Elbow while simultaneously making the steady effort to straighten it is no small feat. But it can be done and is worthy of the attempt.
Another question Yoda,
Now if my right arm is completely relaxed and I bend the right elbow it bends very easily, but if I contract the Triceps the right elbow does not bend easily (it bends with resistance). Is this the idea, the right elbow bending should not feel effortless but take a LITTLE BIT of force. I'm sure this could easily be overdone and spin out of control.
Thanks,
Matt
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"In my experience, if you stay with the essentials you WILL build a repeatable swing undoubtedly. If you can master the Imperatives you have a champion" (Vikram).
The reason you can't sustain the lag is because you are so eager to make the club move fast (a reaction to the intent of "hitting it far"). So on a full shot you throw it away too early, which doesn't happen for your short chip. (bts)
Keep in mind that while we talk about the specific motion/action of the left vs. right arm, it is really the entire power package that is being 'swung' or 'carried'.
The hitter is using muscle power - arm power - pressure point #1.
The swinger is using rotational - pivot power - pressure point #4.
Both are moving the 'entire package'.
The lazy flowing backswing of a true swinger simply uses CF to maintain the structure. This works ok if you can always trust the flow of CF, but far better to add/maintain that structure with extensor action.
This one is for you Bucket......
Keep in mind you must "swing the entire package"! See 6-A-1, 6-B-1, 6-B-4
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Now if my right arm is completely relaxed and I bend the right elbow it bends very easily, but if I contract the Triceps the right elbow does not bend easily (it bends with resistance). Is this the idea, the right elbow bending should not feel effortless but take a LITTLE BIT of force. I'm sure this could easily be overdone and spin out of control.
Keep in mind that while we talk about the specific motion/action of the left vs. right arm, it is really the entire power package that is being 'swung' or 'carried'.
The hitter is using muscle power - arm power - pressure point #1.
The swinger is using rotational - pivot power - pressure point #4.
Both are moving the 'entire package'.
The lazy flowing backswing of a true swinger simply uses CF to maintain the structure. This works ok if you can always trust the flow of CF, but far better to add/maintain that structure with extensor action.
This one is for you Bucket......
Keep in mind you must "swing the entire package"! See 6-A-1, 6-B-1, 6-B-4
Ed,
Putting Bucket together with the entire package..........it is going to be a train wreck!
Does the TGM path to true CF swinging often run through "Hittersville"? (And then maybe sometimes back).
I think I heard someplace that Homer thought it easier for the hitter to swing than vice versa. Im guessing it had something to do with structure, extensor action and elbow action and the learning there of.
Any drills for teaching the right elbow to bend while employing extensor action? Down swing waggles?
Does the TGM path to true CF swinging often run through "Hittersville"? (And then maybe sometimes back).
I think I heard someplace that Homer thought it easier for the hitter to swing than vice versa. Im guessing it had something to do with structure, extensor action and elbow action and the learning there of.
Any drills for teaching the right elbow to bend while employing extensor action? Down swing waggles?
I’m not a Yoda, but here’s my 2 cents.
At my best, by not consciously using Extensor Action from Startup, I have this need to ‘Leave my hands at the Top’ as I begin my Down Stroke Pivot. Or, if I start my Downswing Pivot before my Backswing ends, then my hands are left at the Top without me having to consciously do so. The Stretch can be felt in my left shoulder but also in my arms. When I use Extensor Action at Startup, then I don’t feel the need to leave my Hands at the Top because the Slack has already been removed. Not entirely, not 100%, but pretty close.
So, to me, Extensor Action takes out much of the ‘Wobble’ and reduces the amount of feelings and motions in my swing. The amount of Extensor Action muscle needed depends on how much Wobble (looseness) exists. I have found it very valuable because I don’t want to disturb or have the #3 pressure point being jerked around at the start of my Downswing.
If I extend my Left arm a slight amount at Startup, then the amount of Extensor Action muscle usage pressure effort, is reduced by a fair amount. But no amount of Extensor Action Muscle power effort can overcome a Left Arm that wants to stay slack.
Addressing the Hitter/Swinger issue:
I can only say that the more I’ve learned, the more I’ve come to realize the Sameness’s are the same but the differences are significantly different. I can’t see how one would lead to the other.
Golf for a right hander is a left handed game is what those that meant well told me! 
Initially I favored hitting because it reinforced the discovery of my bionic right arm! But as Yoda confirms the right arm is not passive for swinging. I think muscular thrust is far more drastic than most people think...and are not really doing it when they think they are. Why? Extensor Action was unknown to them in both thought and practice. Extensor action had me feeling that my right tricep was driving when in reality it was not. I thought I had "switter's multiple personalities' disorder for a while there. I even thought about becoming a hitter! So...I think learning to hit is helpful in understanding the possibilities of the right arm...then you decide. For twenty years I attempted to keep my right hand out of it, only to reduce my right arm to a shackled villian. Bent and level right wrist takes care of the flapping right hand...now let the right arm's attempt to always straighten along with the corresponding checkrein of the left arm provide the structure you need. If you are a righty it is a right handed game. Period. That way you can giver er' hell!
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