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Old 02-25-2008, 09:06 PM
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Gents, below is the link to one of the best threads on number crunching that you will probably ever get on LMs and is directly related to this threads spin rate questions.

http://www.golfdiscussions.com/yabbs...c,23466.0.html

It is a longish read but a mine of info for any golfer to get a grasp of what drives what in that little collision zone
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Old 02-26-2008, 11:37 AM
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Wow!!
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Gents, below is the link to one of the best threads on number crunching that you will probably ever get on LMs and is directly related to this threads spin rate questions.

http://www.golfdiscussions.com/yabbs...c,23466.0.html

It is a longish read but a mine of info for any golfer to get a grasp of what drives what in that little collision zone
Thanks for posting this article. This is definitely fantastic information and the folks at Wishon are highly regarded with respect to understanding all of the different parameters involved with designing as well as fitting golf clubs. The interesting point is one poster points out that A of A has greater impact than Clubhead speed does. Wow. I would have never figured that, but the data seems to support this information.

Can you imagine if each of us had regular access to this type of information so that we could continually customize our equipment and hone in on the optimum parameters at a moments notice? That would be fantastic!

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Old 02-26-2008, 01:27 PM
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Would playing the ball forward give JB a little more time to reach top speed. I thought that I read that top speed would be achieved where both arms are straight, but the ball gets in the way depending on ball position and slows the clubhead down.

What do you think Homer would have been able to do with launch monitors and trackman stats?
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Old 02-26-2008, 07:41 PM
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The Optimal Flight developer is a pretty smart cookie who is slowly learning how TGM works. I have given Yoda the intro to Todd a while back as the info that comes out of these machines and the maths behind it are super high end stuff.

If you wish to tinker with info you get out of a machine at home, the OF software is not a bank breaker and I find it very useful to run what ifs on.

www.qualitygolfstats.com is the home page that has some interesting examples for the world to read in angle of decent figures etc.

Enjoy guys.
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Old 02-27-2008, 12:28 AM
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Thanks Paul. I just finished my final post (Part 3b) on Golf Discussions. TGM is something I am learning more about every year and look forward to better connecting the two (launch conditions) and TGM.

This article (reviewing optimal launch conditions) was not an easy one to write and tried to make the information relevant to well tested data and what to look for. Short summary of the article: The published optimal numbers send a mixed message and try to illustrate why.

OptimalFlight offers a 12 dimensional world to interact with in the ball flight realm. Whenever a 'table of optimal launch conditions' is published, we're holding 9 other variables constant.

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Old 02-27-2008, 12:52 AM
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Todd's homework is to read the book with the forum here to fill the foggy bits in

I hope that between us all that LM info and thinking behind it becomes better based having Homers thoughts behind them all.
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Old 02-27-2008, 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted by All4Golf View Post

Thanks Paul. I just finished my final post (Part 3b) on Golf Discussions. TGM is something I am learning more about every year and look forward to better connecting the two (launch conditions) and TGM.

This article (reviewing optimal launch conditions) was not an easy one to write and tried to make the information relevant to well tested data and what to look for. Short summary of the article: The published optimal numbers send a mixed message and try to illustrate why.

OptimalFlight offers a 12 dimensional world to interact with in the ball flight realm. Whenever a 'table of optimal launch conditions' is published, we're holding 9 other variables constant.
Thanks, Todd, for this first post. Whether North Pole or South, alignments rule.

With today's technology, listen to the degrees. But understand the fundamental alignments:

Flat.

Level.

Vertical.

On Plane.

Up Plane.

Down Plane.

Parallel.

Centered.


You are a young man with tremendous talent. These are the alignments that must be understood (and produced) by the competitor on the tee, fairway and green.

Embrace those who bring these alignments to you.

Run from those who would make it more complex.
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Old 02-27-2008, 10:24 AM
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Thanks for the welcome and a quick start orientation Yoda!

I have some reading to do...

Todd
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Old 02-29-2008, 02:26 PM
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Be very careful with this one folks. The studies I have seen from Trackman may not be accurate because all it is saying is that with a 0 or 5 degree "upswing" the ball will go farther. However, they did not say what loft they were testing or if they were even using the same driver. It seemed to me that they were just creating launch angle.

The trackman is a very accurate machine and I like the fact that it can track the ball and the clubhead. I would like to see more testing with different driver lofts to see if swinging "up" is better or is more loft better.
golfgnome,

Ready for a 3x3 experiment to do this?
3 different lofts ex: ( 6, 9, 12*), (or vary impact spot on face?)
3 different attacks (+,-, level) (or vary tee height?)

Same driver make & set up. Same ball. Same consistent swinger for all combinations.

Regards,
Todd
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Old 03-02-2008, 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by All4Golf View Post
golfgnome,

Ready for a 3x3 experiment to do this?
3 different lofts ex: ( 6, 9, 12*), (or vary impact spot on face?)
3 different attacks (+,-, level) (or vary tee height?)

Same driver make & set up. Same ball. Same consistent swinger for all combinations.

Regards,
Todd
Would love to do it. But lets use some realistic lofts like 9, 11.5, 13.5, 16.
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