Ted is using the Angle of Approach procedure with its steep Plane (2-J-3-B) and you are using the geometric Plane Line (the straightline baseline of the Turned Shoulder Plane). Therefore, his Angled Hinging appears to Fan less than yours -- Angled Hinging on a steep Plane approaches Vertical Hinging -- even though you are both using the same procedure.
Also, he hits the Ball very hard, and the Ball stays on the Clubface longer. Therefore, the Slice producing characteristic of Angled Hinging is greater than normal, and to compensate, he must Close the Clubface more than normal.
You're on the right track, Danny. Stay with it.
Yoda,
1-L, #6. The Clubshaft always points at the Plane Line except when they are parallel to each other.
Ted's impact alignments are MARVELOUS, and even though his procedure does not follow the above dictum to the full extent ...aren't predictable impact alignments the end that we all should be seeking?
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I'm extremely happy with my impact alignments, especially from the front. I've got a couple of recent videos that I've compared to Trevino, and I'm happy to say I look like I'm copying his impact alignments. If there's anyone that I want to look like when I'm touching the ball, it's him.
I'm not perfect, nor would I ever claim to be, but I'm much further along the 'Journey'. I'm also happy to say that I'd never been able to do such wondeful things in such a short amount of time without my proud Papa, Lynn Blake, a.k.a. Yoda, Mac Daddy, Da Man, The Genius, The Legend, the one and only Homer Reincarnate.
You teach me fanning the right forearm on the takeaway, but it seems that Ted does not have much fanning at the beginning and the clubface appears to be closed going back...and closed at the top. Why is that?
Danny,
Ted is using the Angle of Approach procedure with its steep Plane (2-J-3-B) and you are using the geometric Plane Line (the straightline baseline of the Turned Shoulder Plane). Therefore, his Angled Hinging appears to Fan less than yours -- Angled Hinging on a steep Plane approaches Vertical Hinging -- even though you are both using the same procedure.
Also, he hits the Ball very hard, and the Ball stays on the Clubface longer. Therefore, the Slice producing characteristic of Angled Hinging is greater than normal, and to compensate, he must Close the Clubface more than normal.
You're on the right track, Danny. Stay with it.
Well YOda I love the site and I am really working hard indoors until golf season to improve my game, using video each time ot to see my feels so to speak to turn my mechanics into feel. Unfortunately it seems whatever I do leads to a shut cross the line position at the top. I see here you are talking about a fanning movement in the backswing whereas Ted is taking it back shut and not allowing this fanning to occur. I am sure bothare acceptable variants even in hitting, but is there a way to know whihc one is better for me to try to emulate? Also any ideas how to correctly incorporate the fanning movement without bringin the club too inside going back?
For the purpose of education, would you comment relative to 2-F Plane of Motion:
"Whenever the clubshaft is parallel to the ground it must be parallel to the base line. Otherwise, the end of the club that is closest to the ground must point at the base line of the inclined plane."
1-L, #6. The Clubshaft always points at the Plane Line except when they are parallel to each other.
Ted's impact alignments are MARVELOUS, and even though his procedure does not follow the above dictum to the full extent ...aren't predictable impact alignments the end that we all should be seeking?
Eddie,
For the Hitter using the Angle of Approach procedure, the 'old' Plane Angle with its Straight Line Baseline is gone. It served its purpose by locating the Stroke's Impact Point and Low Point. Through these two points passes its derivative -- the Straight Line Angle of Approach Delivery Line. This Visual Equivalent thus determined, the original Plane ceases to exist (2-J-3).
The Hitter with his Clubhead now Covers -- not Traces or 'points at' -- this new Delivery Line. And whatever Inclined Plane the Sweetspot must utilize to make this journey is now the Inclined Plane of the Stroke.
Not Yoda but here is a drill Yoda had me do that I discovered helped
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Also any ideas how to correctly incorporate the fanning movement without bringin the club too inside going back?
He had me put a piece of rubber tubing under the ball of my left foot and then with the right hand draw it tight to the my normal address. From there it was ALL RIGHT ARM up to the top. Fanning and turning. No shoulder assist or movement. We were working on my adopting the Turned Shoulder Plane at the time (I needed to understand the Flat Shoulder Turn in the Backstroke). I discovered the following
1. You need to move this up the Inclined Plane
2. If the tubing comes in contact with your legs or body, you did it wrong, you are too deep, too inside.
3. Stopping at the Top, Right Wrist bent, Left Wrist Flat, Flat agains the Plane.
This really helps working the right arm for the right forearm takeaway.
I have heard some refer to this move as pulling the cord on a lawnmower. If you have done that before,then the drill comes pretty easy.
Wow great minds think alike. After watching the video I was doing somemirro work and I sad hmm it reminds of the lwanmower thing which is giving me the back and up and my shoulder turn seems to provide the in. This was great and all but as with Ted, it still felt shut or hooded. I figured the fanning was a motion like forearm roation to allow the clubhead to be parallel with the left forearma dn hence square at the top, rather than closed.
Am i missing somethinog or does this shut lawnmower feel after momentum of a full swing cause the arms to rotate on their on too square?,,,
He had me put a piece of rubber tubing under the ball of my left foot and then with the right hand draw it tight to the my normal address. From there it was ALL RIGHT ARM up to the top. Fanning and turning. No shoulder assist or movement. We were working on my adopting the Turned Shoulder Plane at the time (I needed to understand the Flat Shoulder Turn in the Backstroke). I discovered the following
1. You need to move this up the Inclined Plane
2. If the tubing comes in contact with your legs or body, you did it wrong, you are too deep, too inside.
3. Stopping at the Top, Right Wrist bent, Left Wrist Flat, Flat agains the Plane.
This really helps working the right arm for the right forearm takeaway.
I have heard some refer to this move as pulling the cord on a lawnmower. If you have done that before,then the drill comes pretty easy.
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Good Golfing
Martee
Martee, thanks for sharing this drill! I think that it will provide great help and feedback for anyone trying to learn the RFP vs. shoulder turn. How long should the rubber hose be? How big (diameter)? I assume this is something you can get at any hardware store....
This is something I am trying to work on (RFP), since I now am way to inside on the startup and backstroke...sounds like a drill that would be good for me.
Martee, thanks for sharing this drill! I think that it will provide great help and feedback for anyone trying to learn the RFP vs. shoulder turn. How long should the rubber hose be? How big (diameter)? I assume this is something you can get at any hardware store....
This is something I am trying to work on (RFP), since I now am way to inside on the startup and backstroke...sounds like a drill that would be good for me.
Thanks!
Keith
How long? How big in Diameter? Well the piece I use is about 8 feet in length and 3/8" in diameter. The tubing is one of those exercise tubes but without any handles. Now it don't have to be that long and for diameter I am guessing it can be a bit bigger.
Here is the length and it will vary a bit between golfers.
Place one end of the tube so the left foot covers (4"). Then while holding it with the right hand take your normal address position. Remove the slack out of tubing. I then make it taunt just a bit. The more taunt you make it from this position the more effort it will take to get it to the top.
So a 3 foot piece should to it for anyone.
There are other exercises/drills that can be done with this tubing. You can wrap it around the left shoulder and down the left arm. Practice the backstroke with holding it both hands or just the right hand, the tube should stay taunt -- Entensor action
Where is VICKIE???? I bet she can provide a few resistance exrecises using a tube. There are a few product out on the market that advocate resistance tubes. Golf Gym is one but there are others as well as just a good old piece of tubing.
I have found a number of them that are good for general conditioning and golf not to mention when you get a Yoda or Joe D. to provide you with some drills for speific golf functions. Heck Yoda who has a dowel rod in everyroom (no kidding) has a tubing set up in one room with a whole bunch of mirrors so when he walks by he just stops and does the drill for a few minutes, and is Always, Always Looking, Looking, Looking.
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