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Old 04-22-2012, 10:02 PM
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Great post, O.B.

Especially valuable are your thoughts on the 'hand controlled pivot'. All so natural, yet all so at odds with certain 'modern' and posited
'scientific' approaches.

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Old 04-23-2012, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by O.B.Left View Post
Try under handing a golf ball...
That's as bad an idea as Hogan's sidearm/underhand basketball pass. It's called steering. Chips or full shots, you should drive PP#3 down-plane towards the ball with the right shoulder, if Swinging, or with the right tricep, if Hitting. You should never make a hand effort toward the target! If you're going to throw a golf ball in order to get the correct swing feel, it should be toward the one on the ground.
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Old 04-24-2012, 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by MizunoJoe View Post
That's as bad an idea as Hogan's sidearm/underhand basketball pass. It's called steering. Chips or full shots, you should drive PP#3 down-plane towards the ball with the right shoulder, if Swinging, or with the right tricep, if Hitting. You should never make a hand effort toward the target! If you're going to throw a golf ball in order to get the correct swing feel, it should be toward the one on the ground.
No it's called an underhand pitch motion and feel, It's in the book...yea hogan had terrible ideas about the golf swing, you're right...
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Old 04-24-2012, 02:12 AM
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Originally Posted by MizunoJoe View Post
That's as bad an idea as Hogan's sidearm/underhand basketball pass. It's called steering. Chips or full shots, you should drive PP#3 down-plane towards the ball with the right shoulder, if Swinging, or with the right tricep, if Hitting. You should never make a hand effort toward the target! If you're going to throw a golf ball in order to get the correct swing feel, it should be toward the one on the ground.

Yes agreed the direction of thrust is different when throwing a ball but cut me some slack I never suggested the direction of thrust when chipping should be towards the hole. In fact I made specific mention of the aiming point procedure.


Don't discount what Homer himself described as "an underhand pitch motion" . See Geometry of the Circle 2-N-0 page 40 in the 7th. To my mind he is referring to what could also be described as a side armed throwing motion given any right elbow fanning and bending... or a leading elbow even.




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CHAPTER 2 STATEMENT OF PRINCIPLE continued

PAGE 40

GEOMETRY OF THE CIRCLE

STRAIGHT LINE RELATIONSHIP TO A STRAIGHT LINE – POINTING AT A STRAIGHT LINE. The orbiting Clubhead must maintain its visual relationship wit the selected Delivery Line per 2-F and 2-J-3 during all Twelve Sections (Chapter while Turning, Cocking, Uncocking, Rolling and Swivelling of the Wrists. See 2-P, 7-23 and 8-0.

Proper Clubhead control is dependent on coordinating the Downstroke Hip Turn with the selected Right Elbow Postion (10-3), Motion (6-B-1) and Path (7-3), to avoid collisions as well as for Balance and Axis Tilt. See 7-15. There must be an Underhand Pitch motion and Feel. If there isn’t you are “Roundhousing” – lifting the Hands (Flat Shoulder Turn) and/or the Clubhead (Steering) “Off Line” during the Start Down. This includes the Butt of the Club also. And see 10-6-0. Take time at The Top (8-6) to “draw” and “monitor” that line per 6-E-2. It is one of the Three Basic Imperatives (2-0). And the position of the Club at The Finish (Station 3 12-3) is the precision destination of the Downstroke “blast off” from the Top. It is not just Impact “fall out”. Impact must be kept incidental to The Stations. Study 3-B and 8-6 regarding The Top and The Start Down.


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Originally Posted by O.B.Left View Post
Yes agreed the direction of thrust is different when throwing a ball but cut me some slack I never suggested the direction of thrust when chipping should be towards the hole. In fact I made specific mention of the aiming point procedure.

Don't discount what Homer himself described "an underhand pitch motion" . See Geometry of the Circle 2-N-0 page 40 in the 7th. To my mind he is referring to what might be best described as a side armed throwing motion given any right elbow fanning and bending... a leading elbow .
The elbow leads, the front hip slides, the triceps fire into the inner aft quadrant. I am sighting the face of the club-head at impact in my elbow led waggles-very comforting knowing that ball will not go left unless I want it to.

I've picked up 20 yards with the driver and 10 on all the clubs with real ball control. Besides 4 barrel switting, and new clubs, is there another insight that will allow me to focus more power into the shot?

When a switter Pivots, how do they avoid spinning over the top before driving the shoulder?

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Old 04-24-2012, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by innercityteacher View Post

When a switter Pivots, how do they avoid spinning over the top before driving the shoulder?

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Hands to Pivot.

When you threw a ball did your pivot get in the way? Did you spin out? Did you have your mind in your pivot? (No). Did you pivot ? (Yes). Was it the perfect amount of pivot? (probably).

In regard to MacDonald drills .... when hitting a ball , after training you can get left , left hip over left foot simply by loading the left foot. To stay stuck in the "mind in the hip slide stage" is to probably slide to little , too much , not at all randomly. Just load the foot... you know like when we walk. Left , right , left ... loading. The left hip will find a spot directly above the left foot automatically. No need to think about how far to slide , whether to slide with a right side push off or a left side pull , just load the foot! Crush the can as some call it. No need to understand which muscles are in play. It might be the Hips that do it but just load the dang foot.

Load the left foot and throw the right arm (actively or passively) .... and you will pivot. Its hard not to.

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Hands to Pivot.

When you threw a ball did your pivot get in the way? Did you spin out? Did you have your mind in your pivot? (No). Did you pivot ? (Yes). Was it the perfect amount of pivot? (probably).

In regard to MacDonald drills .... when hitting a ball , after training you can get left , left hip over left foot simply by loading the left foot. To stay stuck in the "mind in the hip slide stage" is to probably slide to little , too much , not at all randomly. Just load the foot... you know like when we walk. Left , right , left ... loading. The left hip will find a spot directly above the left foot automatically. No need to think about how far to slide , whether to slide with a right side push off or a left side pull , just load the foot! Crush the can as some call it. No need to understand which muscles are in play. It might be the Hips that do it but just load the dang foot.

Load the left foot and throw the right arm (actively or passively) .... and you will pivot. Its hard not to.
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