I, too, have Ben's video which needs watching as carefully as The Book needs to be read.
Like The Book, it is not a simple "how to do" but more an illustration of the concepts involved when applying the 24 components etc.. In this respect it is a visual confirmation of what we should have in our minds eye having read The Book.
Like The Book it is a form of reference and, as such, well worth the $.
Anyone got Ben's mat? And, if so, what do you think of its usefulness?
he now sells a desk top version of the mat. I never thought it was great for swinging on top of it, but it is loaded with Doyle wisdow that now can be had for a third of the price.
he now sells a desk top version of the mat. I never thought it was great for swinging on top of it, but it is loaded with Doyle wisdow that now can be had for a third of the price.
I have the DVD you are talking about. Its really interesting, the beginning of it is hilarious, you think "Who the hell is this eccentric old guy?"
After that, its just great although the lack f follow through is disconcerting.
Its not cheap but Ben actually breaks down where the money goes at the end of it. He has scholarships and contributions and all sorts.
__________________ The student senses his teacher’s steadfast belief and quiet resolve: “This is doable. It is doable by you. The pathway is there. All you need is determination and time.” And together, they make it happen.
I, too, have Ben's video which needs watching as carefully as The Book needs to be read.
Like The Book, it is not a simple "how to do" but more an illustration of the concepts involved when applying the 24 components etc.. In this respect it is a visual confirmation of what we should have in our minds eye having read The Book.
Like The Book it is a form of reference and, as such, well worth the $.
Anyone got Ben's mat? And, if so, what do you think of its usefulness?
I agree 100 %. It is not a method, nor is The Book.
In this way it brings you something different of the DVDs of McH or S&T.
I bought the desk mat at the same time as DVD. It is a very practical tool which summarizes Mr Doyle' s education, in particular the "Facts and illusions" concept. It is a usefull reminder, that can be easily consulted all the time without having to reread the DVD too often.
weird he doesnt get into the follow through. It appears he uses a pretty aggressive full roll, which I guesss would be neccessary w/ that late release.
I hate to hate on Ben Doyle. He seems like a nice dude and I'm sure he's a great teacher. After I purchased the book . . . read it . . . didn't get it . . . I ordered this video . . . unfortunately.
TOTALLY SCREWED UP MY GOLF GAME. This may not be Ben's fault. I don't think you can learn golf via a video . . . or at least not this video. There are some definite nuggets . . . BUT very problematic due to the rapidly closing face which is largely due to the head hanging back also resulting in the left wrist becoming the center of the stroke . .. also the navel seeking right elbow doesn't work so good either because you don't release #4 and come in way to shallow and from the inside.
A fine pattern if you have mutant level hand eye coordination or like to hit it really low and don't care where the ball goes.
I can relate to this...and I do not need help hitting it left! What got me good and proper was focusing on my left shoulder, as in moving it up to get the right shoulder down. Knowing what I know now, would have helped me navigate his presentation a lot better...there is loads of good info there. He introduced me to the 24 components...just not enough of the variations.
Bobby Clampett says in his book "Impact Zone" nothing Ben ever told me was untrue !. Ben was the FIRST to accept Homer's stuff. He has many success stories. Everyone learns differently(visual, auditory or kinestetic).
For many of us that is why this forum and its founder are so meaningful to us as individuals. I figure the naysayers just communicate differently.
No hate just a recognition that Mr. Doyle's preferred pattern is not for everyone. A fact that I am sure he would state himself. Like Homer Kelley I believe that seperate identities should be maintained...kinda like between love and hate! I am very proud of the fact that my 6th and 7th editions bear Mr. Doyle's signature.
I hate to hate on Ben Doyle. He seems like a nice dude and I'm sure he's a great teacher. After I purchased the book . . . read it . . . didn't get it . . . I ordered this video . . . unfortunately.
TOTALLY SCREWED UP MY GOLF GAME. This may not be Ben's fault. I don't think you can learn golf via a video . . . or at least not this video. There are some definite nuggets . . . BUT very problematic due to the rapidly closing face which is largely due to the head hanging back also resulting in the left wrist becoming the center of the stroke . .. also the navel seeking right elbow doesn't work so good either because you don't release #4 and come in way to shallow and from the inside.
A fine pattern if you have mutant level hand eye coordination or like to hit it really low and don't care where the ball goes.
very good post
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"In my experience, if you stay with the essentials you WILL build a repeatable swing undoubtedly. If you can master the Imperatives you have a champion" (Vikram).
The reason you can't sustain the lag is because you are so eager to make the club move fast (a reaction to the intent of "hitting it far"). So on a full shot you throw it away too early, which doesn't happen for your short chip. (bts)
I am very proud of the fact that my 6th and 7th editions bear Mr. Doyle's signature. 
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