Mike's Greats Hits...eh, make that Greatest Swings
If you are a Swinger, you will enjoy any of Hebron's books. If you are not a Swinger, you probably will not. However, he does have some good information on how the body and the "grey matter" works and how we learn effectively.
Number of Effective Motions: 446,512,500,000,000,000 or 446 Quadrillion. Pick the one that is right for you!
If you are a Swinger, you will enjoy any of Hebron's books. If you are not a Swinger, you probably will not. However, he does have some good information on how the body and the "grey matter" works and how we learn effectively.
Number of Effective Motions: 446,512,500,000,000,000 or 446 Quadrillion. Pick the one that is right for you!
Hi Drew,
Definitely true of Inside Swinging The Outside. I found Hebron's Golf Swing Secrets and Lies to contain a WONDERFUL introduction to TGM in general...
Kevin
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I could be wrong. I have been before, and will be again.
Not trying to be difficult but I don't think Homer Kelly had a pattern for Hogan's swing. TGM says 4 barrel, or 2-M-3 what ever else but Hogan hit the golf ball fully with his right side and thats pretty much why people don't like to talk about Hogan's swing and if they do I find them to be way off base. The old way of TGM talked about a bowed left wrist now they have chaged it to flat. Hogan used his extrem flex bowing the back of the right wrist to bow his left through impact. This also got the club in a layed off lag position while the right elbow was getting into place for Hogan to hit it as hard as he wanted with his right side. Hogan was not a swinger or a hitter he was a rotary pusher of the dominant right side. I explained this in my book that some of you have read and asked me about. I have hit Hogan's personal clubs and they are 6 flat, with a grounded heel to set open, extrem stiff, and thick grips, with a coat hanger it felt like set at 5:25. I have talked to people that played with him on a regular basis, pro's that played against him, and was able to view some private films of him swinging on the range. The Ben Hogan Estate went as far to authorise me with full rights to Hogan's name and image.
I'm not saying that I am the only person that knows Hogan's swing or that what I say is the final word but rather a lot of people get Hogan wrong on what he did in the golf swing and they are trying to make you believe what they do from the facts they have gathered from photos, or youtube video which all but one I have seen don't show a strait angle of Hogan from a DTL which most base there facts off of. Sorry if I come off in any wrong way I am just trying to help myself understand others point of views to my own and express what I think as well.
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Today I had a local club fitter up here, show me George Knudson's old 3 wood, which immediately reminded me of all the stories about Hogans clubs. It was a telephone pole too. Knudson was a big Hogan fan and companion at times. It was a 1980's Minzuno, persimmon, small black head, the stiffest steel shaft available Im told, a Brunswick FM90? The first thought I had was how heavy the thing was. The head was drilled out and lead filled and then the shaft end was severely counter balanced to get the swing weight down to C-9. The man showing it to me is the nephew of George's old club maker and as a youth used to do the runs to the hardware store to buy the bolts they used for counter balancing. He said that George didnt care so much about swing weight but rather the dead weight. He liked it heavy. This 3 wood came in at almost 16 ounces. Doesnt sound like much but it was heavy in the hands. Thing was it sort of swung itself and seemed like it would work nicely to me..............Hmmmmm?
Somewhere in the memory banks I remember a story of Golf Digest listing Knudson as the best fairway wood player of all time. This was a while back of course.
Not trying to be difficult but I don't think Homer Kelly had a pattern for Hogan's swing. With 144 variations thoughout the 24 components I suggest it is there! TGM says 4 barrel, or 2-M-3 what ever else but Hogan hit the golf ball fully with his right side and thats pretty much why people don't like to talk about Hogan's swing and if they do I find them to be way off base. The old way of TGM talked about a bowed left wrist now they have chaged it to flat. Flat or "flat? "Hogan used his extrem flex bowing the back of the right wrist to bow his left through impact. This also got the club in a layed off lag position while the right elbow was getting into place for Hogan to hit it as hard as he wanted with his right side. Hogan was not a swinger or a hitter he was a rotary pusher of the dominant right side. Are we talking right arm participation here? If he pushed...he was a hitter!I am pretty sure that you are limited to pushing or pulling, and in some cases an unfortunate combination of both! I explained this in my book that some of you have read and asked me about. I have hit Hogan's personal clubs and they are 6 flat, I am sure this helped the Wee Ice Mon with the on plane right forearm on the elbow plane with a grounded heel to set open, You do not want that club face looking left, especially with a full tilt horizontal hinge action extrem stiff, and thick grips, Homer would have approved on both accounts! with a coat hanger it felt like set at 5:25. I have talked to people that played with him on a regular basis, pro's that played against him, and was able to view some private films of him swinging on the range. The Ben Hogan Estate went as far to authorise me with full rights to Hogan's name and image. What a coup! Congratulations! I'm not saying that I am the only person that knows Hogan's swing or that what I say is the final word but rather a lot of people get Hogan wrong on what he did in the golf swing and they are trying to make you believe what they do from the facts they have gathered from photos, or youtube video which all but one I have seen don't show a strait angle of Hogan from a DTL which most base there facts off of. Sorry if I come off in any wrong way I am just trying to help myself understand others point of views to my own and express what I think as well.
One of my TGM heroes made this post years ago. I think it is a very interesting take on Mr. Hogan's pattern. I agree with OKIE, it's in the book, I don't have the knowledge to figure it out myself, but I am a MASTER of Cut and Paste!
Cheers,
Kevin
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pre: from 45' to 49' Mr. Hogan won 37 times
post: from 50' on he never played in more than 7 PGA Tour events in a year yet he won 13 more times, including 6 majors. Until Tiger in 2000, Mr. Hogan was the only man to win three professional majors in one season in 53'
My favorite swing style of Mr. Hogan is his pre-accident swing because I believe that he was a true 3-barrel swinger w/ no manipulations. He hated the hook and said that it was like a rattesnake in his pocket. When he came back from injury he incorporated several anti-hook components that IMOP lead him to be a hand manipulated swinger.
I will be looking at only 2 videos...down the line from "Hogan at Augusta" and face on from "Hogan face-on view Power Golf"
Not a lot of people talk about set up because it is one of the things that is so varied to each persons natural swing, at least as told my many. I think that you all hear a lot of Tour pro's talk about setup/alignment and thats about as for as it goes. I think that any player that gets the correct setup/alignment will play his best ever but you have to throw weight distribution into the mix because to much left or to much right changes the plane.
Below I have added a very 4 year old photo I drew and yes it looks like my kid who is 4 years old drew it! What it show is a never changing club head line as to its arc, but you will see as the feet change the shoulders and hand arc changes. This to me is why it is important as to the way the hands travel keeping the club plane arc in tact. My self personaly I roll the club open because I don't want to leave my self a chance of hitting it way left and I don't believe hooding the club is a good thing as some think but call it (matching the spin angle). Notice the line through the midde showing ball position the club lean never changes and the ball position is consistant as the angles of the feet and shoulders change. Well just look at the photo and see it from all possible angles as the club lies open, and think of Hogan. Most people think Hogan had his hands behind the ball at address and in fact the angle of the photos or video or playing tricks on your mind! Just something to chew on...
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Not a lot of people talk about set up because it is one of the things that is so varied to each persons natural swing, at least as told my many. I think that you all hear a lot of Tour pro's talk about setup/alignment and thats about as for as it goes. I think that any player that gets the correct setup/alignment will play his best ever but you have to throw weight distribution into the mix because to much left or to much right changes the plane.
Below I have added a very 4 year old photo I drew and yes it looks like my kid who is 4 years old drew it! What it show is a never changing club head line as to its arc, but you will see as the feet change the shoulders and hand arc changes. This to me is why it is important as to the way the hands travel keeping the club plane arc in tact. My self personaly I roll the club open because I don't want to leave my self a chance of hitting it way left and I don't believe hooding the club is a good thing as some think but call it (matching the spin angle). Notice the line through the midde showing ball position the club lean never changes and the ball position is consistant as the angles of the feet and shoulders change. Well just look at the photo and see it from all possible angles as the club lies open, and think of Hogan. Most people think Hogan had his hands behind the ball at address and in fact the angle of the photos or video or playing tricks on your mind! Just something to chew on...
VERY NICE!!!
Hogan on arc of approach . . . shifting ball around on the arc to hit different shapes and trajectories but keeping the arc. . . . also SHOULDERS CONTROL PLANE OF THE ARMS . . . great illustration.
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