I think this may have an effect on holding body positions (or centers). For players that I have seen with a very acute #2 angle, the head seems to dip down and back through impact... almost to back out of it to release the angles.
In regard to this tendency, Slice, you could look at it as being a subconscious move of the left shoulder (low point) backwards giving them more time to square it up, release. As if they need more time in the "degrees per second" equation of 6-N-0.
The other ways to increase the time would be to change the Release Point, slow down the hand speed or move the ball forward if its a driver. Or simply decrease the degrees, #2 Angle.
Interesting question. Wish I had that problem.
There can be a similar sort of tendency where guys back out of a driver to achieve a higher launch angle. They move their low point back, dynamically during the swing. For those guys if they want to stay centered, the solution is to move the ball forward in the stance.
Homer wanted a centered pivot of course but he also included the proviso "except for special purposes". I think he's talking launch angle and power maybe. Lynn would know. He did tell me once that the driver can (at times) be considered a specialty club, in that you're trying to get it as far down there as you can, with an accepted loss in accuracy. But this is for another thread maybe. You certainly wouldnt want to back out of an iron shot from the fairway with all the money on the line.
Lag in a common golf speak sense is what we TGM types would describe as float loading but with a degrees of left wrist cock perspective attached. Lag is the act of trailing. Float loading is one of three methods used as a loading technique - that's separate from the defintion of lag.
Like Kev alluded to, Homers Accumulator Lag refers primarily to Lag Pressure at the #3pp which cant be measured visually really, beyond noting the trailing condition of the clubhead.
Accumulator lag isn't well defined in the golfing machine but I would at least think it is how much the accumulator is out of line - whether it be #1, #2, #3 or #4 i.e. how much the accumulator is trailing an in-line condition. It certainly has it's relationship to lag pressure - but I wouldn't say it primarily refers to Lag Pressure.
6-C Quote: "Accumulator Lag (7-19) and/or Thrust (7-11) determine the amount of Power generated by the Power Package – Zone #2 (9-2)." And from 6-B-0: "Varying the amount of out-of-line and/or the amount of muscular effort will vary the accumulation of Power that can be Released ...."
In terms of degrees of #2, left wrist cock, absent any mechanical arguments against exceeding 90 degrees, Im thinking that you should let the conditions of Release and Impact be your guide. From a level condition- the most "cocking" you can get is 30 degrees. From an anatomical defintion - 20 degrees.
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Did you read the entire thread to get the context of what I said?
While there is no dictionary of common golf speak, if there was I doubt "lag" would be anything like the tgm version you shared.
Your thing about left hand wrist cock is interesting. I know what you mean I think but how do you explain the far more accute angle that we can see? Sure looks like more than twenty or thirty degrees. But I defer to you Mike. You've seen a lot of cock in your day.
Did you read the entire thread to get the context of what I said?
While there is no dictionary of common golf speak, if there was I doubt "lag" would be anything like the tgm version you shared.
Your thing about left hand wrist cock is interesting. I know what you mean I think but how do you explain the far more accute angle that we can see? Sure looks like more than twenty or thirty degrees. But I defer to you Mike. You've seen a lot of cock in your day.
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No I didn't read the entire thread. (You can't become a Masta Threadjacka if you read the entire thread!!!)
The "far more acute angle " as seen from face on (when the player is at the top of the swing)is the #3 accumulator angle. It's always been there, however the player has essentially turned the #3 accumulator angle so that you see it from your face on perspective - plus any wristcock. At address, the person viewing the golfer from "face on", doesn't see any #3 accumulator (although they would if they were looking down the target line). It creates an illusion that there is more movement (wristcock) than there really is. (1-C)
Another way to think of it is from the down the target line perspective- say the player you are watching has 60 degrees of angle between the shaft and the left arm (#3 Accumulator) and then you see them "at address" just cock their wrist another 30 degrees- you would then see the "90 degrees" between the left arm and the shaft.
The illusion is also in play on the down swing from say hands hip high to impact - it appears that you "release" alot more than you really do- because your mind assumes that the loss of the visual angle from the perspective of the face on view isn't really the release of everything - it's the #3 accumulator angle "disappearing from that perspective.
So in summary - it's VERY important to understand the context of your subject and the perspective that you are viewing it from (That's for me- not reading the entire thread )
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"Jumping in randomly". Dude you're jumpin around like Spider Man.
Grand Masta Jacka, and dont pretend youve already left here cause I see you, why dont you Rap Tgm very often? I'm lovin you're "Goat Buster", Who ya gonna call , threads but.............you're from Homers hood, you've been acknowledged by the Gummer (not 12P, Scott) . You got serious cred, What up?
At address, the person viewing the golfer from "face on", doesn't see any #3 accumulator (although they would if they were looking down the target line). It creates an illusion that there is more movement (wristcock) than there really is. (1-C)
Right you are, Mike O.
With the club under the heel of the left hand and the wrist held Level with the left forearm, an angle is created between the left arm and clubshaft. This is not Wristcock with its obvious out-of-line condition of left arm and clubshaft. Instead, it is merely one in-line condition (the left arm and in-line Level wrist) meeting another in-line condition (the Clubshaft).
This alignment is important because, when the Uncocking Left Wrist (Perpendicular Motion) is followed into Impact by the Swiveling Left Hand (Rotational Motion), the result is Transfer Power (from the Left Wrist to the Left Hand).
Watching a PGA TOUR player executing a short chip or pitch shot can be instructive. Is he cocking his left wrist on the Backstroke . . . or is he merely maintaining its Level address alignment? The Master can execute his Stroke with or without Wristcock. Further, he understands and can control the significant Power implications.
Here's Brian Gay at this year's PGA Championship at Hazeltine. His Level left wrist is the key to his amazing distance control.
No I didn't read the entire thread. (You can't become a Masta Threadjacka if you read the entire thread!!!)
The "far more acute angle " as seen from face on (when the player is at the top of the swing)is the #3 accumulator angle. It's always been there, however the player has essentially turned the #3 accumulator angle so that you see it from your face on perspective - plus any wristcock. At address, the person viewing the golfer from "face on", doesn't see any #3 accumulator (although they would if they were looking down the target line). It creates an illusion that there is more movement (wristcock) than there really is. (1-C)
Here is a pretty cool down the line video of Rory Mclroy releasing.
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