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Old 04-05-2010, 01:42 PM
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I think I understand what you are saying 12 piece, I will heed the advice. I am hoping to borrow a camera and get some video sooner or later. I have been a decent player but could never get the consistency to break 90 every time out. I have shot a few low scores with a career low of 79 once when everything clicked. I am just as capable of shooting 95 too. I need to get to the level of consistency to steadily keep the scores in the 80s. Once I get there, my focus will shift into breaking 80 and then consistently breaking 80.
I just hope it is possible. I certainly hope it is and believe this may be the way.
Again, thank you all for the direction, advice and words of encouragement.
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Old 04-05-2010, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket View Post
You need to get really up to snuff on a few concepts . . . and then start applying them . . .

1. Face and path relationships are a number uno important . . . line of compression
2. Rhythm . . . hinging . . . clubface control
3. Wedges
4. Low point control . . . down out and forward impact
5. Plane line control . . . Plane angle control
6. Centered pivot

Number 1 here to me IS NUMBER ONE . . . the rest will take their respective order of importance based on what's lacking in your motion. So get a video and send it to somebody/put it up or go see somebody that is well versed in person.
I totally agree. Number 1 , line of compression is required reading to my mind. See 2-C-0 , check out the diagrams and look at where the Arc or Angle of Approach points. It isnt an illusion its very real given the inclined plane of motion. As you go down you must be going out. The inside out approach for a straight away shot. The ball wants to be hit this way, on the inside aft with a Horizontal Hinge Action. Read it and read it and read it till you understand it and save yourself from the ravages of Steering. The ill conceived notion of hitting the back of the ball with a square clubface. Sure seems like it should work, but it doesnt. Hit the ball with the clubhead on the way Down and Out. Take the ball Down and Out with a Horizontal Hinge Action.

If I may Id like to add the #3 Pressure Point to Buck's list. Lag, golfs secret.

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Old 04-05-2010, 08:35 PM
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O.B. I don't even have the book yet BUT I think I see what you are saying about down and out as opposed to hitting the back of the ball with a square club face. I can not say that I know how to do it right now, but I am sure willing to learn.
I am a brand newbie here, but I am very excited to dive in to this.
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Old 04-06-2010, 11:07 AM
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As far as starting points, Bucket's list is a great place to be. That said, one of the very key parts of learning TGM is to understand how important the hands are.

Learn to monitor where your hands are. Learn to feel that #3 pressure point.

No matter what the rest of the body does, ultimately it is the pressure points (hands) and their relationship to the plane line.

Learning to control the 3 parts of the club.

Clubface (left wrist)
Clubshaft (right forearm)
Clubhead (#3 pressure point)

For me personally, nothing else mattered until I learned to control the left wrist. I had grown up with a pretty pure swinging motion, so CF took care of the clubshaft and clubhead for the most part - but the clubface - the left wrist, needed to be educated.

To learn the pressure points, start with one hand only putts. Learn to feel the #3 pressure point with right hand only putts, and the #2 pressure point with left hand only putts.

You can hear the difference in your impact when you get it right, even with the putter.
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Old 04-07-2010, 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by scottcuban View Post
O.B. I don't even have the book yet BUT I think I see what you are saying about down and out as opposed to hitting the back of the ball with a square club face. I can not say that I know how to do it right now, but I am sure willing to learn.
I am a brand newbie here, but I am very excited to dive in to this.

It might feel like a cross line stroke out to right field first but it probably isnt. Your divots can guide you.

Think of the inclined plane from a down the line point of view. For any ball positioned before low point, the clubhead will strike it on the way down, right? But on the inclined plane to go down is to go out as well. The delivery path of the clubhead is going down and out prior to low point then up and in post low point. An attempt to hit a ball back of low point with a delivery path of the clubhead that goes straight towards the hole is "Steering" and ruins the clubs orbit. Contrary to popular opinion the path of the clubhead does not dictate the balls initial line of flight. An inside out approach path associated with a square plane line will not create a push. The ball leaves at right angles to the face at separation. Which also means that at contact it needs to be open slightly. Combine the inside out approach with the slightly open but rolling to square by separation clubface and you have a straight divot , a straight shot , total compression. This is Hogan's "inside aft" of the ball.

Try it out. Let your divots guide you. Keep trying to swing down and out until your divots straighten out. Cut shot therapy as Homer called it. A straight divot and a pushed shot indicates an open clubface. The need to work on Hinge Action or take a look at your grip. Most people , given an incorrect understanding of the cause and effect, correct a push with by pulling the clubhead path to the left. A two wrongs kinda deal. Fix the clubhead path first then the face as needed. The ball leaves at right angle to the face at separation and curves according to any divergence between the clubhead path and clubface angle.

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Old 04-13-2010, 09:13 PM
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I am watching my "Alignment Golf" DVDs for the second night in a row (and about the 4th time overall). I am fixated in the "Drills" disc. It is unreal how much I am learning the more I watch it. Each time I pick up new information. It is too comprehensive to get the first or second time watching.

This is great stuff. Thank you all for the direction and help
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Old 04-13-2010, 09:33 PM
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Now get the Yellow Book. Just as was stated here earlier, it is not the most difficult thing to read. The chases are interesting and be sure to follow them once in awhile. I think those types of efforts are assisting in my personal understanding.
Keep the book near. I usually have it in the car. If I stop for an oil change, I read a couple pages and look stupid trying to get the feels in the lobby. I coach JV high school golf so while the kids are playing and I am out on the course, I will usually open it and just start reading.
After your first read, be sure to do it in the prescriptive order, then do little tidbits at a time. Small chews are much more nourishing and satisfying than chomping on the whole hog.
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Old 04-13-2010, 11:53 PM
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Thanks jerry,
I went and bought some 4' long, 5/8" dowels today. I have been drilling all night long watching the DVDs. I was having a difficult time CONSISTENTLY finding the correct right arm action. Sometimes it was perfect and a sometimes it was way off. Finding impact in the basic motion consistently was helping but I found something wonderful tonight...The Preliminary Address Drill. This is like the Rosetta Stone of getting set up. I can automatically feel the correct set up position consistently when doing that. I have been chipping all over the living room. When I do it using that set up, everything falls into place. It is amazing. I hope to continue with the steady improvement.

I am ordering the book tomorrow. I am still a little intimidated, but I have this great forum to seek answers to questions or to talk me off the ledge .
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Old 04-14-2010, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by scottcuban View Post
Thanks jerry,
I went and bought some 4' long, 5/8" dowels today. I have been drilling all night long watching the DVDs. I was having a difficult time CONSISTENTLY finding the correct right arm action. Sometimes it was perfect and a sometimes it was way off. Finding impact in the basic motion consistently was helping but I found something wonderful tonight...The Preliminary Address Drill. This is like the Rosetta Stone of getting set up. I can automatically feel the correct set up position consistently when doing that. I have been chipping all over the living room. When I do it using that set up, everything falls into place. It is amazing. I hope to continue with the steady improvement.

I am ordering the book tomorrow. I am still a little intimidated, but I have this great forum to seek answers to questions or to talk me off the ledge .
Scott,

You are now goofy, just like the rest of us...

Congratulations and welcome to the club. This is not a quick fix, It's G.O.L.F. for the rest of your life!

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