Ok; so Hank and Tiger split. Whatever. Anyway, I don't know anything about Hank Haney's Swing Philosophy but I read that the "one plane" swing is part of it and that raised my interest.
I visited his web site and viewed a Video about Grip Pressure. HH recommends that if you Hook the Ball, then tighten your grip pressure to prevent the Clubface from Closing through Impact and if you hit the ball to the right, then loosening your grip will allow the Clubface to freely close through Impact. That's easy enough.
This post is not intended to discuss their relationship or praise/criticize Hank Haney's Swing Philosophy/Pattern. However, I am open to discussing the - "Tasering" - of Golf Tournament Spectators.
To view more videos that outline his fundamentals, you need to first register on his website. I can't bring myself to do that, so, I was wondering if someone knows the answer to the following question.
Is Hank Haney's "One Plane" swing similar to Homer Kelley's Zero or Single Plane Shift?
We need Charles Barkley on here to give some insight
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We need Charles Barkley on here to give some insight
If Mr. Barkley had hooked up with one of the teachers on this board he would not only still be playin golf, he would be playing very good, enjoyable golf.
Hank Haney has a different definition on a swing plane than HK. If the shaft has a constant plane angle it is regarded as being on plane. He advocates a constant shaft plane angle where the shaft plane at the top is above the shaft plane at impact.
It could possibly be argued that such an approach can be combined with keepint the gravitational swing center on one single plane throughout. But it would mean that the hands aren't on the plane except at 3 and 9 o clock. So this way of keeping the swing on a single plane is very different from HK's way where the shaft is pointing at the impact plane line and the hands are on the plane at all times.
Further, HH has positioned himself as a swing teacher with a very pragmatic approach. Adjusting the stroke based on stroke pattern and typical misses instead of building the perfect stroke ground up, so to speak. It will be interesting to see if he is successful with Ray Romano on Golf Channel. There seemed to be some light bulb ignition before they put the series on hold.
Hank Haney has a different definition on a swing plane than HK. If the shaft has a constant plane angle it is regarded as being on plane. He advocates a constant shaft plane angle where the shaft plane at the top is above the shaft plane at impact.
It could possibly be argued that such an approach can be combined with keepint the gravitational swing center on one single plane throughout. But it would mean that the hands aren't on the plane except at 3 and 9 o clock. So this way of keeping the swing on a single plane is very different from HK's way where the shaft is pointing at the impact plane line and the hands are on the plane at all times.
Further, HH has positioned himself as a swing teacher with a very pragmatic approach. Adjusting the stroke based on stroke pattern and typical misses instead of building the perfect stroke ground up, so to speak. It will be interesting to see if he is successful with Ray Romano on Golf Channel. There seemed to be some light bulb ignition before they put the series on hold.
Thank You BerntR. Your explanation is clear. I can understand how many Golfers, using Pivot Controlled Hands on the Elbow Plane can "Feel" like that's occurring, although video demonstrates otherwise.
Thank You BerntR. Your explanation is clear. I can understand how many Golfers, using Pivot Controlled Hands on the Elbow Plane can "Feel" like that's occurring, although video demonstrates otherwise.
Thanks again.
Yep,
It probably would take a constant ratio sweep release that starts from the top to keeep the MOI center on plane with a Haney plane. If there's som snappin' going on it has to be a true plane shift. Down and out - as Ian Woosnam used to say (or something like that).
Hank seems like a really decent guy but his geometry is not "better than most". That aint unusual but he really sticks to his own guns on the parallel plane thing and getting the club on the plane of the left arm. Even when presented with a truer picture, or so I hear. He has "lived by his sword" on this , so to speak.
Maintaining a constant Plane Angle but shifting to Higher parallel Planes means that you have lost the Plane Line! The Sweetspot Plane is not pointed at the Plane Line. You have shifted the Sweetspot Plane to a Plane that the ball does not lie on. But hey, the Plane Angle is the same!
I believe that he also teaches a Right Hand Wrist Cock and an accompanying Throw of the same. So the Plane of the Right Wrist Bend , the Right Forearm Flying Wedge is not maintained throughout the shot.
I come not to burry Hank! He'll be OK. Man, I hope he can fix Romano!
You know that the rumours have Sean Foley as the next one! Making some members of our little chat room insiders! In fact there was a cryptic reference about a week ago...........something about Tiger and ground forces or something......I dunno. If its true Sean, while never an A.I. is very familiar with TGM, Tom Tomasello's stuff via Mark Evershead, Plumber and Bennet and Alignment Golf's own Lynn Blake. (And just about anything and everything else you can imagine too for that matter).
I had a series of lessons with Sean several years ago. He introduced me to TGM in an indirect way, so if not for him.........I might not be here. He's a really interesting guy, hope its true.
Backswing: "In an on-plane swing, the clubshaft is above but parallel to the original angle of the clubshaft at address..."
Downswing: "The clubface and the clubshaft should be on a plane that is parallel to but above the original angle of the clubshaft at address, as the arms bring the club down toward impact"
IMHO, he is talking two positions during back and down....
Is Hank Haney's swing philosophy similar to Homer Kelley's Zero Shift? I don't think so...
Is Hank Haney's swing philosophy similar to Homer Kelley's Single shift? Might be...
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I think Tiger's biggest problem is not having his Dad around to sort through the mess and get him back to playing the natural athletic swing of his youth. I watched Tiger for an hour on the range last Sept. and he was practicing weird actions.
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