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Old 05-26-2010, 09:40 PM
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Confused on Wrist hinge movement
how exactly do the wrist hinge in the swing. i thought i understood this aspect, but after viewing my swing on tape, i found my left wrist, at the top, is slightly cupped, and almost every pro ive noticed is FLAT wrist at the top. Most are anyway, and this makes sense, becuase it is easy to get to flat left wrist impact...

I always thought, or read, that the wrist move up and down, as in, if you were in your address position, about to swing the club, if you just move your wrists up and down from there, thats how the they are supposed to move, and then that, coupled with a body pivot, gets the club on plane...however, this cant be true ive found cause when move my wrists in that manner i CANT get flat at the top..I always have to manipulate it conciously with the hands in order to get to the flat position...i know the pros dont do this manipulating so now im completely confused with how the wrists move...any help would be awesome...

Just playing around i found that when i kind of preset that sensation of a flat left wrist at SETUP, and then just pivot from there, my wrist is close to flat, sometimes bowed, but this goes against everything ive read the last 5 years with how the wrists are supposed to move (minus TGM)
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Old 05-26-2010, 11:00 PM
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how exactly do the wrist hinge in the swing. i thought i understood this aspect, but after viewing my swing on tape, i found my left wrist, at the top, is slightly cupped, and almost every pro ive noticed is FLAT wrist at the top. Most are anyway, and this makes sense, becuase it is easy to get to flat left wrist impact...

I always thought, or read, that the wrist move up and down, as in, if you were in your address position, about to swing the club, if you just move your wrists up and down from there, thats how the they are supposed to move, and then that, coupled with a body pivot, gets the club on plane...however, this cant be true ive found cause when move my wrists in that manner i CANT get flat at the top..I always have to manipulate it conciously with the hands in order to get to the flat position...i know the pros dont do this manipulating so now im completely confused with how the wrists move...any help would be awesome...
The Left Wristcock is Perpendicular Motion from its Impact Condition (Flat), not from its Address Condition (Bent). Assuming a Vertical Wrist (mid-condition between Turned and Rolled), the Left Wristcock exhibits 'wrinkles' at the base of the thumb, not at the back of the hand.

To simplify, use the Harvey Penick solution:

Ball your fist and take it to the Top.

Add the 'wrinkles' and that's the way it should look.

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Old 05-26-2010, 11:43 PM
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ok let me see if i get what your saying...make your wrist flat, and then hindge up and down...hinging up and down from address is wrong because the wrist is bent?...

Why would you start your swing with a bent left wrist then?
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Old 05-27-2010, 01:37 AM
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Why would you start your swing with a bent left wrist then?
Because it sets up a Stroke wherein your Hands (and the Flat Right Wrist) lead the Club away from the Ball in Start Up. Similarly, the Hands (and the Flat Left Wrist) lead the Club through the Ball during Impact.

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Old 05-27-2010, 11:02 AM
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The part im confused at, is how you get your wrist to that point, from bent at the address, to flat-and hinging on that point...Do you simply move it to that point with the hands?
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Old 05-27-2010, 11:06 AM
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bending the right wrist back = flat left

The right wrist bends straight back to the forearm
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Old 05-27-2010, 04:57 PM
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It is important not to confuse the commonly used expression "wrist hinge" and what TGM calls "hinge action"

Innercity - a vertical hinge is different than cocking the left wrist. A vertical hinge has to do with how the clubface and ball meet (see chapter 2). It sounds like you are thinking of left wrist cock - a vertical motion - a seperate identity from a vertical hinge 'action'.

The left wrist cocks and uncocks (vertical motion).
The right wrist bends and arches (horizontal motion).

When the ball and clubface meet, the clubface can either close only (horizontal hinge action), close and layback (angled hinge action) or layback only (vertical hinge action).
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Old 05-27-2010, 07:18 PM
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im still confused...so you do just manipulate the club with your hands, to get it flat? because i dont think you can use your body in such a way that it will get you to a flat wrist at the top...
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im still confused...so you do just manipulate the club with your hands, to get it flat? because i dont think you can use your body in such a way that it will get you to a flat wrist at the top...
You should be gripping the club shaft (Palms facing each other)so that when you bend your right wrist, then your left wrist simultaneously flattens. Take that to the top of the swing.
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Old 05-28-2010, 09:04 PM
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Thanks EdZ and Daryl! Very helpful!
Those are excellent, clear descriptions of what I am learning in my lessons. There is so much to take in.

One of the nice things about the precision of TGM is that precise thoughts and observations lead to precise actions which make the golf swing easier and more powerful.

Amazingly, one insight fits tightly into another like a well designed puzzle or a machine making the sequence of movements easier and logical.


When Yoda mentions that "Because it sets up a Stroke wherein your Hands (and the Flat Right Wrist) lead the Club away from the Ball in Start Up. Similarly, the Hands (and the Flat Left Wrist) lead the Club through the Ball during Impact," he is not saying to try to do that leading down with the FLW (flat left wrist), but since the swinger spins and pulls the power package from the front, the left arm and hand will lead the right due to anatomical position.

I suspect a hitter's FLW just pulls first as well, activated as it is by the left hip influencing the left shoulder. Anyway, precise thoughts then precise golf .



Originally Posted by EdZ View Post
It is important not to confuse the commonly used expression "wrist hinge" and what TGM calls "hinge action"

Innercity - a vertical hinge is different than cocking the left wrist. A vertical hinge has to do with how the clubface and ball meet (see chapter 2). It sounds like you are thinking of left wrist cock - a vertical motion - a seperate identity from a vertical hinge 'action'.

The left wrist cocks and uncocks (vertical motion).
The right wrist bends and arches (horizontal motion).

When the ball and clubface meet, the clubface can either close only (horizontal hinge action), close and layback (angled hinge action) or layback only (vertical hinge action).
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