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Old 06-24-2010, 04:27 AM
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Originally Posted by EdZ View Post
I'm sure someone with more anatomy knowledge can give more detail, but when I interlock the left forearm rotation is checked, it just doesn't want to roll.

I'm guessing it is in part due to activation of the muscles supporting the thumb and forefinger of the left hand (separate your index/middle finger in a 'V' as wide as you can to feel what I'm talking about.

Sorry I can't give you more, but at least for me the difference is clear.
I see what you mean. My left FOREARM doesn't want to roll independently as easily with interlocking as opposed to the varnum grip.
This brings up the discussion of how one wants to "turn the club over" . I agree that interlocking grip seems to promote angular hinging motion.
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Old 06-24-2010, 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by EdZ View Post
I'm sure someone with more anatomy knowledge can give more detail, but when I interlock the left forearm rotation is checked, it just doesn't want to roll.

I'm guessing it is in part due to activation of the muscles supporting the thumb and forefinger of the left hand (separate your index/middle finger in a 'V' as wide as you can to feel what I'm talking about.

Sorry I can't give you more, but at least for me the difference is clear.
I agree. Especially when Chipping and Pitching.

With an Interlocking Grip, with any tension or lack of Right Arm bend, the Left Wrist doesn't seem to want to fully Uncock which certainly affects the Impact Swivel. Not that you want to be fully Uncocked at Impact, but by disturbing the Uncocking Freedom even the slightest seems to affect the 3 dimensional Impact.

There are days that any of that doesn't seem to be the case, but for general purposes, the Overlap ALLOWS the Left Wrist more freedom of motion.

The Little Finger of the Right Hand seems to grasp tightly when Interlocked. I think it's best not to allow that to occur.
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Old 06-24-2010, 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by EdZ View Post
I'm sure someone with more anatomy knowledge can give more detail, but when I interlock the left forearm rotation is checked, it just doesn't want to roll.

I'm guessing it is in part due to activation of the muscles supporting the thumb and forefinger of the left hand (separate your index/middle finger in a 'V' as wide as you can to feel what I'm talking about.

Sorry I can't give you more, but at least for me the difference is clear.

Hello,

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A teaching pro told me that if you put pressure on the thumb and forfinger, this activate the muscles in the top of the forearm which restrict the pronation / supination. On the contrary, pressure on the last three finger activates muscles in the bottom of the forearm that do not interfere with pronation / supination.

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Old 06-24-2010, 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Etzwane View Post
Hello,

new to TGM and LBG... still diging out the wealth of information here !

A teaching pro told me that if you put pressure on the thumb and forfinger, this activate the muscles in the top of the forearm which restrict the pronation / supination. On the contrary, pressure on the last three finger activates muscles in the bottom of the forearm that do not interfere with pronation / supination.

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Which hand are you talkin about?
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Old 06-24-2010, 12:49 PM
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Watching the US open last weekend, there was some closeup of his swing. It looks like he had interlocking grip. I have it taped and could review again. Are you implying he used a reverse overlap?
No, it's an interlock. It's just that his left index finger kind of hangs free, almost like he's pointing it, rather than being curled around the right pinky. I do it this way when I interlock; it seems to help keep excess tension out of the left forearm for me.
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Old 06-24-2010, 06:31 PM
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I dangled it too. Yoda advised against it, strongly.

I think the dangly fingers can often with go with tight wrists.......the exact opposite of what you want .....firm grip relaxed wrists which allow some wrist action. The Hands are clamps but the wrists are tension free as they must be.

I had a teacher along time ago who had a great test/drill for this predicament. He'd take your clubhead in his hands and move it up down, or back and forth which he could do quite freely assuming your wrists were free ........but he'd sneak in a random super hard twist to see if your grip pressure was snug. Its a great test that one. The firm wrists , loose grip guys at first resist the lazy back forth up down and then relax a bit but when he twists the handle slips in their hands. Not good. If you'd have tried this on Ben Hogan I bet it'd all be free and easy until you went to do the surprise twist at which point you'd receive some serious resistance and probably a look that could kill. "No Siree".

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Old 06-24-2010, 08:02 PM
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I'm partial to interlocking for now.
For me I prefer to have a bit of the left forefinger between the metacarpal joint and the proximal interphalangeal joint on the shaft of the club. I'm not aware if I point the rest of it or not, but my left forefinger is definitely involved in the grip.
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Old 06-24-2010, 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by dlam View Post
I'm partial to interlocking for now.
For me I prefer to have a bit of the left forefinger between the metacarpal joint and the proximal interphalangeal joint on the shaft of the club. I'm not aware if I point the rest of it or not, but my left forefinger is definitely involved in the grip.
I couldnt agree more and was about to say exactly that.

There's more than a few majors won with that grip Dlam.
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Old 06-24-2010, 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by jerry1967 View Post
Which hand are you talkin about?
That's true for both ands but specifically I was thinking about the left hand (for right handed golfer) as far as the pressure on the last three fingers.

A little drill to understand how finger pressure points of the left hand affect the release swivel, follow through and finish: make a swing but let the right hand come off the club before impact. Do it once with pressure only on the last three fingers and once with accure pressure on the forefinger and thumb and none on the last three fingers. Don't do that at home unless you have plenty of room under the ceiling !
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Old 11-17-2010, 12:49 PM
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Lately, I been using the "dangling" left forefinger for the full swing and I been compressing the ball solidly. I don't need to feel the first metacarpalphangeal joint of my index finger on the grip.
In fact I think having it off makes it less restrictive for the left forearm to rotate and makes horizontal hinging much easier.

Odd isn't it that the mirror image of that joint in the right hand is PP3

Strange too is that when I take my grip I am specific in my hands where not to grip as well as which specifc points to grip.

In my swing,Which areas in the hand not to grip seems to be as important or even more important than the PP.

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