What I said about the clubhead speed vs handspeed is 100% relevant in your case.
I feel stupid but what do you mean by hand/club head speed ratio? do I need more hand speed or ch speed? It will be hard for me to get more of either- I think????
Thanks
BerntR trying to describe different impact sensations and their causes
You need more clubhead speed. Yore not releasing the club properly.
If you have a proper release and flip through the ball impact will feel like melted butter.You probably get 85-90% of full distance but the ball really shouldn't feel that weightless at impact.
If you flip too early, you get a sort of "reverse shock". I haven't checked but I suspec that you get in the opposite direction in the hands. A little bit like hitting a piece of wood, perheps. I guess I have a hard time describing how that one feels, but it sure doesn't feel right.
If you release properly and still has good lag pressure you will feel that the ball stays on the clubface for a while, and that it is sqeezed flat before it bonces off the shaft. It feels heavy and fast and sweet at once.
If you don't release the club properly, clubhead speed / hands speed ratio through the ball will be too low. This will move the sweet spot far up the shaft and you will feel an impact resistance as if the clubhead is struggling to get through the ball. And also a mighty impact shock in your hands. This is what I think is going on in your swing.
IN relationship to a clubhead speed / hands speed ratio that it too low, there are two possibilities: 1) You do this with all the clubs but it isn't a problem with short irons due to the heavier clubhead mass and compression leak. 2) You only do this with long sticks because your swing pattern is steep and doesn't work as well with long clubs. If it's alternative 2 you probably need to work on swinging more around you and less up and down to hit it as well with the driver as the wedge. More pivot and less arms so to speak.
If you don't release the club properly, clubhead speed / hands speed ratio through the ball will be too low. This will move the sweet spot far up the shaft and you will feel an impact resistance as if the clubhead is struggling to get through the ball. And also a mighty impact shock in your hands.
What do you mean that "This will move the sweet spot far up the shaft"? How does the Sweetspot move? Do you mean that CF is not pulling on the COG of the Club?
.............. Is there any way that you are mistaking the feel of "Throwaway" for Lag Pressure?
............But it is common for a person who encounters an open face geometry at impact to (subconsciously) start to steer the clubhead path to the left and at the same time throw the clubhead at the ball. ..................... making for a compensated swing and a ruination of the ideal impact geometry as outlined in 2-C-0.
Its interesting to me that even armed with knowledge of Homers ideal impact geometry .......I am still subject to this sort of thing. Perhaps we all hold on to this "seems as if" false logic somewhere deep within the recesses of our golfing minds? Homer himself noted that he didnt Steer dandelions. From which you could deduce that even he, the man who defined Steering , was subject to it's false logic when confronted with a golf ball. ( I always like the way Lynn says "confronted by the ball", "in the presence of the ball" , "the ball as tyrant", etc)
When Im hitting unintentional fades that are starting to lose distance...."muffins"......I have to stop myself and give myself a 2-C-0 lesson. Arc of Approach, Inside/Out Impact for a straight line base line, Horizontal Hinging. Its THE cure for a plane line bent to the left and throwaway as a method of closing the clubface. Homer called this: "Cut shot therapy." In its most heightened state it can bring out the dreaded , shank. Forgive me for speaking its name in this house.
And hence as Lynn so eloquently notes in his Finish Swivel movie......the only line in the entire 12-3-0 mission critical MECHANICAL CHECKLIST FOR ALL STROKES which is capitalized, bolded and italicized is Section 6. number 22: From Top: DELIVERY LINE ROLL PREP. Note the extra emphasis on the "Roll". Overtaking must happen. In the ideal manner its via a Flat and Rolling Left Wrist. Horizontal Hinging, inside out impact..... its a lesson I need to keep giving myself, probably always will. Add a little lag pressure to this geometry and golf becomes an easy game again.
Yes- Let me assume that this is throwaway- Yes it is- because denial will never fix anything.
Let’s look at local conditions:
I can not do well trying to hit the ball. I MUST mentally go from top to follow-through and let the ball get in the way if it chooses. I guess Homer would call it a dandelion.
To my best observations I do not have a problem with quitting
BUT
I can have a problem with compression. When It gets "ragged".
I can pound energy into a tire all day.
I can smack a flat club shaft as hard as I like against any flat vertical surface that dares stand 6-10 inches outside my left foot.
So- first a thanks then a How is this "cut shot " therapy done? I have read it many times but never understood what or how it is done??
I bet if I said (I will not admit it.) that with all those good conditions above then the problem would show up as a little "chicken-wingy" U would say. Ah Ha!
What do you mean that "This will move the sweet spot far up the shaft"? How does the Sweetspot move? Do you mean that CF is not pulling on the COG of the Club?
I think I understand what is meant-- poor compression is poor energy transfer which may create a standing wave in the shaft that is felt at the hands- The hands being at a non nodal location on the shaft.
I bet if I said (I will not admit it.) that with all those good conditions above then the problem would show up as a little "chicken-wingy" U would say. Ah Ha!
The Bear
You'd be correct. When the Clubhead overtakes the Hands but with a bending left wrist (and straightening right wrist) the chicken wing is often not far behind. Like a bunch of Sabres fans leaving the Aud back in the old days.
Cut shot Therapy for Dummies , my next book, will be very short. "Keep swinging OUT and rolling the Flat Left Wrist until you are hitting draws that start right and curve back to the middle......then back it off a bit cause you've gone too far".
Its a Clubhead path and a Clubface problem. The Clubhead the Delivery Line must be fixed first. Keep swinging out till your divots are straight. Then fix the Clubface by Rolling a flat left wrist. The enemy is Throwaway as a method of closing the face. As long as you have Lag Pressure you have a lagging clubhead condition and have not thrown it away.
To paraphrase 12-3 #22. (Inside/out) Delivery Line , (Horizontal Hinge) Roll Preparation (when your at your Top) but add some Lag Pressure through the ball. There's the book in one sentence. Dont know if Lynn would concur but I tried.
Homer said that Impact is Inside/Out for a straight line Base Line. 2-J-2. He also said that it should feel this way too! This is a straight shot Im talking about here.
No one is ever totally free from the need for cut shot therapy. Its like the common cold for golfers. Its Steering. It afflicts even those who understand 2-C, sadly, ironically.
It so sneaky the way it infects your game. For me I normally draw the ball but Ill start hitting little fades one day which are quite useful actually. But if Im losing compression I know I'm starting to steer the clubhead path , bend the plane line to the left a little, perhaps to give me room for the fade. A compensation and very subconscious too....my subconscious still works under the "old ball flight laws" for some reason. It can progress from there if left unchecked, with Throwing the clubhead past hands as a way of closing the face.......compensation #2. Which adds two way misses to the lost compression. One tee shot hooks straight left then next one fades weakly into the rough.. It takes weeks to develop into a full blown problem and it can take some time to correct but the cure is always the same. Cut shot therapy. Fix the Delivery Line, fix the Hinge Action add Lag Pressure in place of Throwaway.
The problem is that the 2-C geometry is so counter intuitive.
What do you mean that "This will move the sweet spot far up the shaft"? How does the Sweetspot move? Do you mean that CF is not pulling on the COG of the Club?
This is a fairly simple question I guess, but the answer requires quite a few clarifications.
First of all, the sweet spot of the clubhead is not the same as the sweet spot of the whole club. If you hit the sweet spot of the clubhead there will be less of a shock effect through the shaft to your hands. But the sweet spot of the whole club is not in the clubhead sweet spot, and you will get a shock in your hands, because you're basically hitting the ball outside the sweet spot of the whole club.
Second, mass and COG is not the appropriate approach to study sweet spot of rotating objects such as a golf club. You need to look at the distribution of kinetic energy (mass * velocity^2). The mass that moves faster counts more than the mass that moves slower. That is easy to feel by simply swinging fast and slow. The fast swing speed produces a much "heavier" club.
The COG of the whole club is by the way in the shaft a few inches above the hosel. If you move your hands as fast as the clubhead that's also where the MOI center will be.
Since the mass that moves faster counts more, the MOI center will get closer to the clubheads sweet spot (and beyond??) when yor clubhead speed /hands speed ratio is high. And it moves up towards the COG when this ratio is low.
If you don't have a proper release, the MOI center will be relatively high and you will feel a lot more impact resistance. I can still remember the first time I hit a 3 iron and the first time I hit a driver. I may not have the most vicious release now either, but back then it was really slow. The resistance at impact was massive.
Here's food for thought: Since the ratio of hand speed to clubhead speed changes throughout the swing, the MOI center will not be in the same place on the club from startdown to impact.
On the other Hand, specifically, the Right Forearm Flying Wedge, the Clubhead speed / hands speed Ratio is "What?" since the Right Wrist neither Cocks/Uncocks, nor moves from Bent to Flat (prior to Impact). The Right Forearm Flying Wedge operates as a rigid structure without regard to the Uncocking Left Wrist.
The Cocking and Uncocking of the Left Wrist is inextricably tied to the Bending and Unbending of the Right Elbow and the Golf Club and Clubhead are welded to the Right Forearm with a Bent and Level Right Wrist.
If you were the Right Forearm Flying Wedge, would the ratio remain constant regardless of Hand Speed? Does the Ratio matter to the Right Forearm Flying Wedge?
I suppose that designing a Golf Swing whereby Both Wrists Cock and Uncock, the mechanics may be quite different than what is outlined in TGM.
I did simplify it when I said hands speed vs clubhead speed. It's actually hands speed ^2 versus club head speeed ^2.
So even if clubhead speed were twice the hands speed throughout, the MOI center would move as both speeds increased.
But even though the RF flying wedge is kept intact, accumulator #2 certainly, and I also believe accumulator #3, will change the relationship between the two speeds. And it is also a fact that the hands will slow down while accumulator #2 is releasing.
Well, if one swings with only the Left Arm, then I see the #2 Accumulator. But when the Right Forearm Wedge is intact and functional, then the #2 Accumulator is just another way at looking at the passive #1 Accumulator since the Uncocking Left Wrist only accommodates the Straightening Right Arm. Magic of the Right Forearm.
The #4 Accumulator Release Pulls the Right Arm Straight and it looks like the Left Wrist is Uncocking. It is... but it's the result of the Right Arm Straightening (Geometry of the Triangle) unless you swing with a method that includes "Cocking Both Wrists" (which 99% of all golfers do).
When a Hitter drives the Right Forearm, "Forcing" the Left Wrist to Uncock, without Unbending or Uncocking the Right Wrist, is it the Left Wrist Uncocking that caused the increase Clubhead velocity? Because if you were the Clubhead and you looked back at the Right Elbow, you would swear that you didn't move at all.
Is the #2 Accumulator Release anything more than the Right Forearm Wedge overtaking the Left Arm Wedge? If there really is no Accumulator #2, then how can it cause the Hands to slow?
One can swing the club pretty well while a Rope replaces the Left Arm. Where is the Wrist Cock (#2 Accumulator) in that? It's in the Right Elbow.
Science. Hmm? In the name of science, the engineers have create models using only the Left Arm and Clubshaft. One pretty famous engineer created a model that shows precisely the amount of wrist cock needed for the Clubhead to reach maximum speed at full extension. He was applauded because his model stopped the wrist cock at 90 degrees. LOL. What does that have to do with the Golf Swing? He got paid for that.
From Homers Notes, posted by Vikram
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Endless Belt - The change of the clubhead from Linear motion to Angular Motion. The clubhead and belt (hands) travel at exactly the same speed, however there are (2) different surface speeds between the pulley and the clubhead. The belt (hands) speed never changes but the clubhead speed increases as it goes around the pulley. The hands act as the belt they must not speed up, slow down, or become jerky. The hands do not change speed during the release. The smaller the pulley the slower you can swing. The later the delay the slower the hand speed. The faster you swing the harder it is to keep the club from flying out.
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