There's talk about the RFFW and how it comes together (with the LFFW?) 90 degrees. I don't understand where this 90 degrees is. The RW doesn't bend 90 degrees backwards does it? Where is this 90 degrees to be found? Yoda is holding two dowels parallel while talking about this (2:12), but what does that indicate? There is only one club. Where is the 90 degrees? Could someone explain this and its importance for me?
See 6-B-3-0-1 and 7-2 in TGM
That's cool that my "third rail" thread became the last in your series. In keeping with the season I reiterate that the topics heading that thread remain unchanged in my mind.
That's cool that my "third rail" thread became the last in your series. In keeping with the season I reiterate that the topics heading that thread remain unchanged in my mind.
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I have to see how this works.
Standing up straight and chest high - does that mean that the plane of the RFFW is horizontal and the plane of the LFFW is vertical? That would be 90 degrees.
I have to see how this works.
Standing up straight and chest high - does that mean that the plane of the RFFW is horizontal and the plane of the LFFW is vertical? That would be 90 degrees.
Id say yes ......assuming your left hand grip is not Turned. In the 10-2-D grip for instance the Plane of the Left Wrist Cock and the plane of the Right Wrist Bend would both be "horizontal" as you put it. Which has implications to Hand Action as the left hand is already turned to the Inclined Plane at Fix.
Last edited by O.B.Left : 12-29-2011 at 08:10 PM.
Reason: changed vertical to horizontal ...
I have to see how this works.
Standing up straight and chest high - does that mean that the plane of the RFFW is horizontal and the plane of the LFFW is vertical? That would be 90 degrees.
Originally Posted by O.B.Left
Id say yes ......assuming your left hand grip is not Turned. In the 10-2-D grip for instance the Plane of the Left Wrist Cock and the plane of the Right Wrist Bend would both be "vertical" as you put it. Which has implications to Hand Action as the left hand is already turned to the Inclined Plane at Fix.
The Right Hand is placed on the Club in its Vertical Condition, i.e., perpendicular to the Horizontal Plane. This alignment is mandatory for the ideal Right Forearm Flying Wedge and its 90 degree support of the Left Arm Flying Wedge.
I have to see how this works.
Standing up straight and chest high - does that mean that the plane of the RFFW is horizontal and the plane of the LFFW is vertical? That would be 90 degrees.
The Right Hand is placed on the Club in its Vertical Condition, i.e., perpendicular to the Horizontal Plane. This alignment is mandatory for the ideal Right Forearm Flying Wedge and its 90 degree support of the Left Arm Flying Wedge.
Ive changed my post above to read "horizontal" instead of vertical . My apologies.
Air, the implications of the Turned left wrist grip type to the 90 degree relationship of the flying wedges is something Ive never seen discussed so Im on out a limb perhaps . But if you read the description of the 10-2-D grip you'll be able to follow my logic. I dont have my book with me and cant provide a proper quote, but Homer says something about the two planes (left wrist cock and right hand bend) being similarly aligned.
In the book, Homer assumes a more "vertical" left hand grip , 10-2-B which would mandate the 90 degrees thing, yes.
Ive changed my post above to read "horizontal" instead of vertical . My apologies.
Air, the implications of the Turned left wrist grip type to the 90 degree relationship of the flying wedges is something Ive never seen discussed so Im on out a limb perhaps .
In the book, Homer assumes a more "vertical" left hand grip , 10-2-B I believe which would mandate the 90 degrees thing.
Thanks,
I understand that the two different flying wedges have their own idenity and that they together give structure to how to swing the club. The only problem I had/have is to SEE this 90 degrees we are talking about. I see about 70 degrees, but maybe I'm looking at this the wrong way.
Thanks,
I understand that the two different flying wedges have their own idenity and that they together give structure to how to swing the club. The only problem I had/have is to SEE this 90 degrees we are talking about. I see about 70 degrees, but maybe I'm looking at this the wrong way.
Ahh, ok. This will be slightly less than technically correct maybe but imagine a piece of tape or a line running up the AFT of the shaft (technically correct would have it from the sweetspot on the face to the #3 pp) and over the back of the right forearm. Imagine the line as being a straight line with the Right Forearm on the same plane as the piece of tape on the aft of the shaft. This line represents the Plane of the Right Hand bend .... the RFFW. Horizontal in your terms.
Now, from Fix (not adjusted address) imagine a line or piece of tape or whatever running up the top of the shaft (as you look down at it from address) and up the entire left arm . Again a straight line and representing the plane of the Left Wrist Cock. A purely Vertical Hand Motion (per ..dont have my book with me right now, Hand Motions ? ).
With a 10-2-B grip these two planes are 90 degrees to each other. Top and Aft , vertical and horizontal in your terms. Dont look at the back of your left hand , which will be slightly turned as is natural (take a look at it when its hanging by your side when standing.... its turned slightly along with the elbow and forearm too ... aligned to your mouth). This is slightly turned Left Hand is "Flat , Level and VERTICAL" definitionally . THE LEFT HAND IS NOT LITERALLY VERTICAL BUT IT IS "GEOMETRICALLY" VERTICAL in this instance.
" Geometrically" Vertical being yet another example of my "out on a limb" line of thinking re Homer's definitions. We have Geometrically Flat why not Geometrically Vertical?
Yoda , if you're here .......life line. I dont want this to get messed up and there is a need for precision here, which may be lacking. The old Left ARm Flying Wedge / plane of the left wrist cock/ inclined plane thing again.
70 degrees or whatever between the two forearms when you look down at them is OK.
But at impact - down the line - the right forearm should be on plane with the shaft* and the left wrist should be flat.
Now, if the left wrist is geometrically flat at impact, the plane of the left arm flying wedge (the plane defined by left arm and shaft*).
And if the right forearm is on the shaft* plane at impact. you will have a plane defined by the right forearm and the shaft* that is 90 degrees to the LAFW. At impact, the LFFW plane will be the same as the swing plane. So you have one inclined LFFW plane that "aims" down the target line. And one vertical RAFW that aims at right angles to the target line.
shaft* notates the sweet axis from hands to sweet spot. Close enough to shaft for most discussions.
Edit: The plane of the wedges are defined by the angles between left arm & shaft, respectively right forearm and shaft. If you look at those angles as lying on two different planes you should see a 90 degree difference between the two planes.
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