K , Im thinking if you had a Thruster , Angled Hinger who set up with a closed plane line 10-5-E or whatever, and if he rotated his grip square to the target line ....... at Follow Through, his club face would appear to be way, way rolled to a horizontal like position . Wouldnt it?
I guess Im saying that if you just look at the face angle it can be misleading, given grip rotation. What looks like horizontal isnt sometimes.
Not talking about K.P. necessarily just talking generally. Man I like the way K.P. plays and handles himself with the fans. Seems like a great guy.
Swinging is associated with maximum lag, a quick transition, back swing to the end (not always) and pp#3 rotation, a sequenced release with dual horizontal hinge (usual). And pitch elbow. And of course drag loading. Accumulator#4 release is also a swinging indicator.
Hitting is associated with minimum lag, a slower transition, back swing to the top, no pp#3 rotation, a simultaneous release and (usually) angled hinging. And sometimes cross line closed plane line. And punch elbow. And drive loading. A hitter will always drive Accumulator #1, and this will often substitute for a swingers accumulator #4.
KP loads his shaft as a swinger during transition. You can see the toe up shaft flex if you freeze a film footage. But his tempo looks like a hitters rhythm to me. I'm not sure if he does pp#3 rotation; If he doesn't he is very easy with his PP#1 and #3 during transition, ref the shaft flex. His finish swivel isn't as quick as for a pure swinger. I see a pitch elbow late in the down stroke. I am convinced that he is drive loading, but dragging seems to be present as well. His hands motion relative to the pivot doesn't seem to be due to an accumulator #4 release but rather due to drive loading through Acccumulator #1.
Seems to me like KP has a majority of hitting components. But he also seems to be pulling hard from the left side, which spells swinging.
Where is the line drawn between swinging and hitting? It seems to me like all good golfers drag whether they hit or swing. And as long as the golf stroke is anywhere near circular, CF will do it's part. But KP seem to have an active thrust all the way from transition and through the ball. So he looks like a hitter to me.
Swinging is associated with maximum lag, a quick transition, back swing to the end (not always) and pp#3 rotation, a sequenced release with dual horizontal hinge (usual). And pitch elbow. And of course drag loading. Accumulator#4 release is also a swinging indicator.
If I may add: "Quick Transition" doesn't mean "Fast" or "Hurried". It means that once the Lag is loaded, Start Down before Lag is lost. Hitters can go to "Top" and almost briefly pause but Swingers should Fully "Load" and "GO" Fully Loaded. Otherwise, "Float Load". "Float Loading" is zero interruption. Either way, the Swinger gets fully Loaded and stays Fully Loaded. "Quick" Start-Down. I like to go to the Top/End and leave my Hands at the Top during Transition. As the Left Side firms, the Pressure Points firm up also. Then, Spin the Flywheel.
.first let me say i feel like i hit it as hard as i can with my right hand even though i'm swinging.
Thanks for coming on here and sharing your thoughts John. Really interesting to hear from a world class ball striker.
If you dont mind a question, can you explain the way in which you hit hard with the right hand when swinging. Do you mean an active unbending of the right wrist or something else?
Swinging is associated with maximum lag, a quick transition, back swing to the end (not always) and pp#3 rotation, a sequenced release with dual horizontal hinge (usual). And pitch elbow. And of course drag loading. Accumulator#4 release is also a swinging indicator.
Hitting is associated with minimum lag, a slower transition, back swing to the top, no pp#3 rotation, a simultaneous release and (usually) angled hinging. And sometimes cross line closed plane line. And punch elbow. And drive loading. A hitter will always drive Accumulator #1, and this will often substitute for a swingers accumulator #4.
KP loads his shaft as a swinger during transition. You can see the toe up shaft flex if you freeze a film footage. But his tempo looks like a hitters rhythm to me. I'm not sure if he does pp#3 rotation; If he doesn't he is very easy with his PP#1 and #3 during transition, ref the shaft flex. His finish swivel isn't as quick as for a pure swinger. I see a pitch elbow late in the down stroke. I am convinced that he is drive loading, but dragging seems to be present as well. His hands motion relative to the pivot doesn't seem to be due to an accumulator #4 release but rather due to drive loading through Acccumulator #1.
Seems to me like KP has a majority of hitting components. But he also seems to be pulling hard from the left side, which spells swinging.
Where is the line drawn between swinging and hitting? It seems to me like all good golfers drag whether they hit or swing. And as long as the golf stroke is anywhere near circular, CF will do it's part. But KP seem to have an active thrust all the way from transition and through the ball. So he looks like a hitter to me.
Can anyone find a video or picture of a good player who actually uses a pitch basic stroke? I certainly cant
Now to trigger delay- just because you swing does not mean maximum trigger delay- look at Tom Watson or any other player who uses full sweep.
Finally Wrist Action- hitters must use single wrist action, once you turn to the plane you are using standard wrist action which is a swing.
With single wrist action, it seems to me, that you can not take the club back more then about right forearm parallel to the base of the plane
Lets not group hitters and swingers based on a very basic understanding of what some may or may not do. The book has some 400 quadrillion possible swing combinations, all of which have some practical application- otherwise they would have been eliminated as we all know Mr. Kelly was in favor of anything to streamline the book.
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If the right wrist flattens at or around impact, you will suffer from trajectile disfunction.
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