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Old 05-14-2011, 01:20 PM
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From an armchair standpoint, if this guy was a buddy and asked me on the range for ideas, I would be tempted to say he does not clear the right hip due to his address position. I would try to get his wrists level at address with the right arm more on plane. Perhaps narrow the stance a little and focus on clearing the right hip both back and thru. I also think he should go back to a 44 inch driver, that would help that setup. Of course he would be insane if he listened to me. I do not think his issues are swing related. His issues are physical. He used to be lean and whippy. The muscle has put extra strain on his frame. Like putting a huge engine in a frame not built for it. Snead snapped his knee and hip as much as Tiger and never had the physical issues.
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Old 05-14-2011, 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by dodger View Post
From an armchair standpoint, if this guy was a buddy and asked me on the range for ideas, I would be tempted to say he does not clear the right hip due to his address position. I would try to get his wrists level at address with the right arm more on plane. Perhaps narrow the stance a little and focus on clearing the right hip both back and thru. I also think he should go back to a 44 inch driver, that would help that setup. Of course he would be insane if he listened to me. I do not think his issues are swing related. His issues are physical. He used to be lean and whippy. The muscle has put extra strain on his frame. Like putting a huge engine in a frame not built for it. Snead snapped his knee and hip as much as Tiger and never had the physical issues.
When you talk about clearing the Right Hip back and through, how would you go about seeing it in pictures or on video? Is that the whole "two cheeks at impact" thing? Or no "goat-humping"? My eyes aren't yet trained to pick up on these things Though maybe I shouldn't mention goats if Bucket may still be lurking around here?
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Old 05-14-2011, 06:37 PM
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I too will engage in the absurdity of rendering advice to Tiger.

Tiger, you don't need all that extra body movement. Slow the pivot down. Calmly "settle" on the downswing but dont let the left hip and leg move so violently. I know you can sling it a mile like that, like number eight at Augusta. but if you calmed it all down youd be leading by 10 shots and wouldnt need to.

Count one - top of back swing, two, impact, three follow through. Rythmically, till you do it the same way each time.

Like in 2000......................
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Old 05-14-2011, 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by chipingguru View Post
I too will engage in the absurdity of rendering advice to Tiger.

Tiger, you don't need all that extra body movement. Slow the pivot down. Calmly "settle" on the downswing but dont let the left hip and leg move so violently. I know you can sling it a mile like that, like number eight at Augusta. but if you calmed it all down youd be leading by 10 shots and wouldnt need to.

Count one - top of back swing, two, impact, three follow through. Rythmically, till you do it the same way each time.

Like in 2000......................
So is that along the same line of thought as how Johnny Miller talks about Tiger's "driving range swing" versus his "golf course swing"? I know yesterday I was hitting soft 9irons into most of the greens (my wedges are in the garage getting re-shafted) and I hit more than a few on a rope towards the flag. Most were long, but boy howdy they went where I wanted them to
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Old 05-15-2011, 08:08 PM
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Nah, Miller knows a lot more than me. And, of course, so does Tiger!

That being said, I don't think he can keep that left knee action forever or it will ruin him, if it hasn't already. Its "ungolf" like.
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Old 05-16-2011, 10:26 PM
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Interesting to see that Tiger can't rid of that "snap" at impact. You can tell an athlete to calm the pivot and count one two, but under the gun....no chance. This guy didnt grow up at the country club making pretty swings, he played all sports and knows how to make whatevers on the other end pop. An athlete like Tiger will always use his pivot to start the kinematic sequence from the ground up to delivery the snap at the bottom. I think he's done a great job changing his pivot to steepen his arm plane and cover it........problem is, that doesn't go well with low hands and big shaft lean......(fore right). Combine that with a wrecked personal life, only 3 different women a week, a quickly progressing bald spot, and a random swap away from the putter that won you about 12 majors......and you have a mere mortal. : ) For now............
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Old 05-16-2011, 10:57 PM
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Rumor has it he is proficient at the big forward shaft lean..................

But, hilarity aside, do you really think that snappy movement really helps his power? My thinking he would hit it just as far, with better trajectory and far more consistency by calming it down, while still having a uper dynamic "from the ground up" action and not a pretty boy swing.
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Old 05-16-2011, 11:44 PM
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Right on CG, I hear his shaft is double x these days, built up and an inch over standard.... haha...this could go for days. Anyway, why a change in trajectory through calming the pivot? And what's "better"?

No doubt, the squat/jump adds timing issues, but at the end of the day it compounds centrifugal force and overall throw out speed. World long drive guys are virtually weightless at impact when measured on force plates. Ask Ted Fort, a guy he teaches is an up and coming world long drive guy that probably weighs 225.......he probably weighs 350 at startdown/release and 30 at impact. Its Tigers athletic dna and will always be a battle......yes keep working at it, but it isn't the death move as always proclaimed IMHO... forget it, just can't lean it that much with that pivot..........

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Old 05-17-2011, 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by JTillery View Post
Right on CG, I hear his shaft is double x these days, built up and an inch over standard.... haha...this could go for days. Anyway, why a change in trajectory through calming the pivot? And what's "better"?

No doubt, the squat/jump adds timing issues, but at the end of the day it compounds centrifugal force and overall throw out speed. World long drive guys are virtually weightless at impact when measured on force plates. Ask Ted Fort, a guy he teaches is an up and coming world long drive guy that probably weighs 225.......he probably weighs 350 at startdown/release and 30 at impact. Its Tigers athletic dna and will always be a battle......yes keep working at it, but it isn't the death move as always proclaimed IMHO... forget it, just can't lean it that much with that pivot..........
I have a friend who is thinking about getting into long drives and he does a very similar thing, its force down to jump up.

I know when I do it correctly I can get an extra 5--7mph on the driver but I lose my tush line to much and get under plane.
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Old 05-17-2011, 04:36 PM
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If Tiger was engaged in long driving competitions, my advice would be far different.
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