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Old 05-01-2005, 06:19 PM
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Is it possible that the vast majority of Tour players double cock their wrists? In the slo mo sequences, I don't detect a TGM defined level right wrist either at address or in the BS,except DiMarco for one
Do not be misled by angle issues which makes a right wrist BEND seem like a right wrist COCK.

Unless the right wrist is viewed perpendicular to the plane of right wrist BEND, then the bend will seem like a cock. So at the top of the backswing, you have to be behind and underneath the player in order to get a proper view, an angle you don't normally see in photos.

These two pictures show two identical wrist alignments, at two different angles.



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Originally Posted by DDL
Is it possible that the vast majority of Tour players double cock their wrists? In the slo mo sequences, I don't detect a TGM defined level right wrist either at address or in the BS,except DiMarco for one
Do not be misled by angle issues which makes a right wrist BEND seem like a right wrist COCK.

Unless the right wrist is viewed perpendicular to the plane of right wrist BEND, then the bend will seem like a cock. So at the top of the backswing, you have to be behind and underneath the player in order to get a proper view, an angle you don't normally see in photos.

These two pictures show two identical wrist alignments, at two different angles.




NOW THOSE ARE SOME FANTASTIC PICS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THIS POST IS STRONG LIKE A GARLIC TIC-TAC!!!!!!! A MUST SEE, MUST UNDERSTAND, MUST EXECUTE ALIGNMENT!!!!


AWSOME!!!!

How about a little before and after? . . . I think people would benefit from seeing Double-Cocked vs. Level. To me this is one of the most overlooked and misunderstood points in The Golfing Machine.

I had no clue about the importance of the Wedges the Right Forearm Flying Wedge particularly. Read it in the book about 10 times and was like, "uh ok? What the heck is that all about." Thanks to the good Dr. Collards the fog was lifted. And if you ain't got your right wrist Level, then you ain't got no Wedge.

Many thanks for posting! One for the fridge door and the archives.

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P.S. What is that X thing on your wrist? Is you witda crips or da bloods?
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Old 05-02-2005, 04:33 AM
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P.S. What is that X thing on your wrist? Is you witda crips or da bloods?
Per 1-L, "It is soon apparant that the body can duplicate a machine...Hands become adjustable clamps with two-way power actuators- for Vertical and Rotational manupulation."

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Old 05-02-2005, 10:36 AM
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yoda et al,

can anyone show pics or diagrams fo the finish swivel for both hitters and swingers? it would help visual learners to see these wrist positions.

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Old 05-02-2005, 11:11 AM
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yoda et al,

can anyone show pics or diagrams fo the finish swivel for both hitters and swingers? it would help visual learners to see these wrist positions.

thanks,
jimmy
It's just the rolling of the left wrist. It allows the club to overtake the hands while still being on plane. Remember that the only swivel hitters do is at the finish, whereas swingers have a startup swivel and a release swivel (as well as a finish swivel). Finish swivel is same for both.

You can find these pics everywhere! e.g. http://redgoat.smugmug.com/gallery/79626/1/2770246
and look at the relevant sequence.

For me, the finish swivel happens automatically, not something I try to manually control. As long as my thrust continues downplane and on plane all the way to follow through everything after that kind of happens by itself. No quitting.

I'm sure Yoda can give a more authoritative answer.
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Old 05-02-2005, 11:14 AM
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There has been much discussed about all this swiveling stuff. The finish swivel is simply rolling your left wrist back up on plane after followthrough - that's it. If you're not 'chicken-winging' it, you're probably doing it more or less correct right now and need not worry about it.
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Neither pics show a right forearm flying wedge. For me, its very difficult to maintain the flying wedge and a level right wrist on the BS. UnlessI do a twistaway, in which case , I am not fully turning the wrist onplane.

Excellent pics. However, I am still under the impression the Tour players hold the club more in their right fingers instead of the palm.
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Originally Posted by DDL
Neither pics show a right forearm flying wedge. For me, its very difficult to maintain the flying wedge and a level right wrist on the BS. UnlessI do a twistaway, in which case , I am not fully turning the wrist onplane.

Excellent pics. However, I am still under the impression the Tour players hold the club more in their right fingers instead of the palm.
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Lose the club for a while. Start with an open hand and assume Level Bent. Cock your right ARM up by bending your elbow. Then do the same thing with a closed fist. Once you got that. Get a 48 inch dowel from the hardware store. Do a search on dowels on this site and in the archives. The best way to learn to keep the shaft in the plane of the right forearm is to start on a horizontal plane. Work there some and then drop it down on the inclined plane. The feeling will be the same and much different.

Yes. The tour players hold the club more in the fingers than the CUP of the right hand. But if you get the grip in the cup of your hand it will be much easier to get the shaft on plane with your right FOREARM. The tour guys don't start there, but the do infact get there. But why not make it easier on yourself and start there.

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Neither pics show a right forearm flying wedge. For me, its very difficult to maintain the flying wedge and a level right wrist on the BS. UnlessI do a twistaway, in which case , I am not fully turning the wrist onplane.

Excellent pics. However, I am still under the impression the Tour players hold the club more in their right fingers instead of the palm.
D,

Lose the club for a while. Start with an open hand and assume Level Bent. Cock your right ARM up by bending your elbow. Then do the same thing with a closed fist. Once you got that. Get a 48 inch dowel from the hardware store. Do a search on dowels on this site and in the archives. The best way to learn to keep the shaft in the plane of the right forearm is to start on a horizontal plane. Work there some and then drop it down on the inclined plane. The feeling will be the same and much different.

Yes. The tour players hold the club more in the fingers than the CUP of the right hand. But if you get the grip in the cup of your hand it will be much easier to get the shaft on plane with your right FOREARM. The tour guys don't start there, but the do infact get there. But why not make it easier on yourself and start there.

Good luck man!

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Excelllent stuff!. Only thing i have available now is a backscratcher
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Excelllent stuff!. Only thing i have available now is a backscratcher
If the things got a shaft you can use it! I dork out at the office working on my Wedges with a yard stick. Heck, I've even worked with a toothbrush!
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