I was on golfwrx the other day and had a epiphany of sorts. I came across the Martinez "new concept for a golf swing" thread regarding bow to crossbow/etc.
Martinez explains that at takeaway he turns the upper arms CCW. To me this causes a limit for the BS and a tightness in the lead pectoral/shoulder muscles when the hands reach hip high.
Is this what loading PA4 initially feels like? What are the first PA you load?
The move possibly presets a limit to the load of PA3 which would inevitably keep PA2 loading on plane. Any input appreciated a this is my first post here on LB.
I was on golfwrx the other day and had a epiphany of sorts. I came across the Martinez "new concept for a golf swing" thread regarding bow to crossbow/etc.
Martinez explains that at takeaway he turns the upper arms CCW. To me this causes a limit for the BS and a tightness in the lead pectoral/shoulder muscles when the hands reach hip high.
Is this what loading PA4 initially feels like? What are the first PA you load?
The move possibly presets a limit to the load of PA3 which would inevitably keep PA2 loading on plane. Any input appreciated a this is my first post here on LB.
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Not the answer you are looking for, but I feel the bulk of my loading being handled by #1. Taking it back by consciously using #4 does nothing but get me under plane.
One size does NOT fit all, just my preference. I love the study of Right Forearm Takeaway and The Magic of the Right Forearm...
Hopefully someone using your type of loading procedure will chime in with some help. We have some of everything here. No right, wrong, or best, but we all tend to have some strong preferences...
Kevin
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Not the answer you are looking for, but I feel the bulk of my loading being handled by #1. Taking it back by consciously using #4 does nothing but get me under plane.
Kevin
Thanks Kev. Ive read your stuff before and appreciate the input.
Whats your take on the upper arms action in takeaway. Does the upper lead arm stay stationary(resist turning) when you RFT? Or do you think it should be relaxed?
I guess Im trying to get someone to explain the feel of maximizing PP at the top. If I fully load PA 4,3,2 correctly then whats the feel?
I dont think Im loading PA3 completely and my upper lead arm rotates with the rest on my takeaway move. Thats my whole basis for posting the thread.
I tend to not emphasize pp#4 (pressure between right arm and armpit / chest) when I load A#4. Instead I emphasize a geometrical + physical alignment that creates tension that runs down the left side of my back. Tension created to pull on the lever. That pulling combined with CF is what makes Accumulator come alive for me. If I really try to create a lot of pp#4 pressure it tends to ruin my rhythm, but each to his own I guess.
I don't know Martinez method very well but what you describe sounds pretty much like a personal fit.
I tend to not emphasize pp#4 (pressure between right arm and armpit / chest) when I load A#4. Instead I emphasize a geometrical + physical alignment that creates tension that runs down the left side of my back. Tension created to pull on the lever. That pulling combined with CF is what makes Accumulator come alive for me. If I really try to create a lot of pp#4 pressure it tends to ruin my rhythm, but each to his own I guess.
I don't know Martinez method very well but what you describe sounds pretty much like a personal fit.
Great answer above by BerndtR. My advice will go back to basics. Feel from proper mechanics rather than mechanics from feel. Any "feels" you have while loading the club must comply with your selected plane. Please study 1-L-5 and 6 and then 7 through 11. Lots of ways to properly load the pressure points and accumulators, find YOUR way, but make sure your "feels" comply with the plane.
My apologies if too basic, but that's where I'm at right now, and teaching the Imperatives, essentials, along with 1-L-5 and 6 has been huge in watching my students improve.
Beyond that, there are MANY great folks here who can and will help.
Have some fun experimenting!
Kevin
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Last edited by KevCarter : 08-10-2011 at 03:43 PM.
Thanks Kev. Ive read your stuff before and appreciate the input.
Whats your take on the upper arms action in takeaway. Does the upper lead arm stay stationary(resist turning) when you RFT? Or do you think it should be relaxed?
I guess Im trying to get someone to explain the feel of maximizing PP at the top. If I fully load PA 4,3,2 correctly then whats the feel?
I dont think Im loading PA3 completely and my upper lead arm rotates with the rest on my takeaway move. Thats my whole basis for posting the thread.
Are you trying to do Ayer's stuff? He's basically doing "lagging clubhead takeaway". It would be a "pure" swinging procedure according to Machine spanglish. Probably shoulder turn throw. Accordingly the left arm is going to be a "piece of rope." So pretty much inert left arm pivot driven procedure.
Instead I emphasize a geometrical + physical alignment that creates tension that runs down the left side of my back. Tension created to pull on the lever. That pulling combined with CF is what makes Accumulator come alive for me.
wow...eye opening statement there. So loading/pressure/feel becomes a product of achieving alignments? I like it. Seems Ive been trying to do it the other way around.
Are you trying to do Ayer's stuff? He's basically doing "lagging clubhead takeaway". It would be a "pure" swinging procedure according to Machine spanglish. Probably shoulder turn throw. Accordingly the left arm is going to be a "piece of rope." So pretty much inert left arm pivot driven procedure.
Not trying to model my swing after his. I just thought it was interesting what he had to say about the upper arms at takeaway.
My swing has 2 different forms now; one of which looks better in alignment and my right wrist doesnt cock at all. I do a decent rotated shoulder turn and I feel balanced throughout.
The other (basically my swing for the past year and a half) My hands get too deep with a flatter shoulder turn and the right wrist cocks at the top and club goes to parallel. The rest is pretty ugly; big hip slide/upper center falls away through impact and finish is usually unbalanced
Im under the impression that its some sort of arm tension/connection that Im intermittently doing wrong at takeaway.
Not trying to model my swing after his. I just thought it was interesting what he had to say about the upper arms at takeaway.
My swing has 2 different forms now; one of which looks better in alignment and my right wrist doesnt cock at all. I do a decent rotated shoulder turn and I feel balanced throughout.
The other (basically my swing for the past year and a half) My hands get too deep with a flatter shoulder turn and the right wrist cocks at the top and club goes to parallel. The rest is pretty ugly; big hip slide/upper center falls away through impact and finish is usually unbalanced
Im under the impression that its some sort of arm tension/connection that Im intermittently doing wrong at takeaway.
hard to say without seeing the motion . . . . stick it up . . . Ayers is certainly an outside the box thinker and a really nice dude too.
Cocking the RIGHT wrist is a no no 'round here . . . I like the axis wall stuff Ayers talks about good stuff. His deal is pretty much dynamics . . . you get precision alignments here . . .two not necessarily mutally exclusive in my mind.
okay...i figured I would wait for a request lol. First the bad one. I laugh so hard everytime I watch this. Watch the ball in slow mo at the end
And the good one(better i guess)
both from the same day; not sure why I decided to play a round after that bad of a range session but ball flight was penetrating and pull fade with short irons/slight push draw with longer clubs. The bad swing crept up on me a few times during the round. Something isnt right with takeaway though. My legs were really fatigued from current workout so I didnt exactly get the rear hip depth and leg extension I needed.
My thoughts were that a steady hip turn off the ball carries me to P2, fan right forearm; then turn hips from P4(with core muscles and not jerky) and try to feel like right elbow leads handle for as long as possible.
Im no TGM expert so thats why Im here asking questions. I did hit 2 300 yard pull fades with my driver though. Never done that before. One of them was into the wind.
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