I can do basic motion. I have a good understanding, I can keep a flat left/bent right, but I am sick of shanking so many shots. The shank is going to drive me insane or away from the game if I can't get them under control.
I'm very new to the whole TGM scene although I've been a member here since the site started. Member #503 I think? I'm in no way blaming Basic motion for the shanking. I've been shanking it for about 18 months, long before I started to learn TGM. It's time to get it fixed or change sports.
I love the game, I love practicing, I love trying to improve, but these shanks make me want to quit. Funny thing is.....I don't do it until I start practicing. If I never hit balls or never work on my game, they kinda go away. A few days of basic motion or even chipping around a practice green and they ALWAYS show up.
Today I decided to just keep battling. I practiced basic motion chip for 2-3 hours. I bet I shanked at LEAST 50% of the balls I hit. Anyone have any ideas or any left handed clubs for sale? Maybe I should switch sides?
Last edited by threejack : 11-03-2011 at 08:18 PM.
You shank because you're moving the center of gravity of the Clubhead from its orbit. Your "Swiveling".
Place a red dot (Tape) on the inside of your right wrist. Practice Basic Motion. The Red dot should always be visible. Better yet, if the red dot had a beam of light, it would always point to the sky during the entire impact interval.
You shank because you're moving the center of gravity of the Clubhead from its orbit. Your "Swiveling".
Place a red dot (Tape) on the inside of your right wrist. Practice Basic Motion. The Red dot should always be visible. Better yet, if the red dot had a beam of light, it would always point to the sky during the entire impact interval.
No more "Shanks" ; ever......
I appreciate the reply, but I don't follow.
I'm swiveling? Please explain. If you mean I'm letting the club head pass my hands, I assure you I'm not. I've never had a problem holding the angle through impact on short shots. I do have a bad habit of dragging the butt of the club parallel to the target line through impact, and squaring it with my body which can really move the hosel out towards the ball. Not sure if I explained that very well.
Where do I place the red dot? Unless I'm thinking of the wrong wrist placement, I pretty sure the dot would be visible at all times during my stroke. I can keep a flat left/bent right. I'm positive of that. When my right arm (elbow) straightens during the stroke, I push the hosel right into the ball. I REALLY start shanking if I try to use the vertical hinge (reverse roll).
Any more help you can provide is greatly appreciated. If it helps any.....I'm not a beginner. Not a great player, but I've played a lot of golf over the last 15 years. I'm a 4-5 handicap, and I've been lower before I had two little boys running around.
Again, thanks for your help. Lots of great info here.
Last edited by threejack : 11-04-2011 at 11:20 AM.
I have had this happen with basic motion as well. Kevin Carter watched me work with the Taly for the first time and shank at least fifty shots with the thing on. We were amazed. I do not understand completely the advice Daryl provided. What works for me is ensuring that my head is positioned properly. If I get it too far back, I shank. Secondly, I try to make sure the clubface points at the ball through out basic motion. (more feel than real, it does open and close some) Third, I gave away my Taly. (no offense to those that swear by it)
I have had this happen with basic motion as well. Kevin Carter watched me work with the Taly for the first time and shank at least fifty shots with the thing on. We were amazed. I do not understand completely the advice Daryl provided. What works for me is ensuring that my head is positioned properly. If I get it too far back, I shank. Secondly, I try to make sure the clubface points at the ball through out basic motion. (more feel than real, it does open and close some) Third, I gave away my Taly. (no offense to those that swear by it)
Thanks for your help. I don't really understand Daryl either, but I have an idea of what he's saying and he might be correct. I don't think he means swiveling my left arm and letting the head pass my hands. I think he means I'm either swiveling my shoulders or hips, or both and that's pushing the clubhead off plane and closer to the ball. Combine that with me learning to "thrust" my right arm through impact and I literally push the hosel right out on the ball? At least that's my thinking right now.
So say you are viewing your motion from down the line and you were able to put a dot on the screen where your hand are at address....do your hands come back to that dot or are they "out, up and away" from the dot?
When you are doing your chipping...remember the clubhead is "thrown out" to the ball...for that to happen the buttcap if it had a light shinning out of it would have to start shining back towards your dingdong or your left pocket...could be your hands are to far out from the "dot" or that you have the light at the buttcap shooting at the target line too long....
post some film if you got it. That's one thing about your training with short shots....in your effort to "keep your left wrist flat and your right wrist bent" you forget or lose track that the accumulators RELEASE! .......
Also...could help for you to feel like that you have the sweetspot looking at the ball "longer" on the backstroke...keeping in mind that "aft" is only a dimple or so inside the centerline of the ball...so have the face look at the ball longer...
Another thing to monitor is your set up...are you setting up with too much axis tilt (reverse K stuff)...get the buttons of your shirt up in front of the ball...maybe at set up feel like or actually set the buttons of your shirt infront of your zipper...you could also check your right elbow position...is it "pitchy"...set it up punch and power the chip more with your right elbow...left arm/shoulder/grip SOFT...get the club to throw out.
You can try to hit some chips with almost no grip pressure on your left pinky fanger...even hit some with it off...that will help you get the clubhead to be thrown rather than "placeed" or "jabbed".
So say you are viewing your motion from down the line and you were able to put a dot on the screen where your hand are at address....do your hands come back to that dot or are they "out, up and away" from the dot?
You got it........definitely out and away. Not sure about up, but yes, I'm pushing them out. I'm also moving my right shoulder /hip / knee outwards towards the target line also which pushes everything "out". I think that's what Daryl was getting at earlier.
When you are doing your chipping...remember the clubhead is "thrown out" to the ball...for that to happen the buttcap if it had a light shinning out of it would have to start shining back towards your dingdong or your left pocket...could be your hands are to far out from the "dot" or that you have the light at the buttcap shooting at the target line too long....
post some film if you got it. That's one thing about your training with short shots....in your effort to "keep your left wrist flat and your right wrist bent" you forget or lose track that the accumulators RELEASE! .......
I'm embarrassed to say this, but I'm new to the TGM lingo, ideas, etc. I've learned a lot about hinge actions, pressure points, set-up, but I don't know what the power accumulators are yet. Haven't studied that yet but I'm working on it. So much info
here and so little time. Plus the site isn't the easiest to navigate. I'll get it though.
Also...could help for you to feel like that you have the sweetspot looking at the ball "longer" on the backstroke...keeping in mind that "aft" is only a dimple or so inside the centerline of the ball...so have the face look at the ball longer...
...good info.
Another thing to monitor is your set up...are you setting up with too much axis tilt (reverse K stuff)...get the buttons of your shirt up in front of the ball...maybe at set up feel like or actually set the buttons of your shirt infront of your zipper...you could also check your right elbow position...is it "pitchy"...set it up punch and power the chip more with your right elbow...left arm/shoulder/grip SOFT...get the club to throw out.
...hmmmm......i've been using the reverse K for a while. didn't realize that TGM was so anti-K. I did notice yesterday that my head was behind the ball. Need to work on that.
You can try to hit some chips with almost no grip pressure on your left pinky fanger...even hit some with it off...that will help you get the clubhead to be thrown rather than "placeed" or "jabbed".
Not necessarily anti reverse k...you have options...however that reverse K sets everything to swing "under and out"...if you are shhh shhh shhhanking it...you don't need no more "out"...
So sternum/solar plexus thingie in front of ball slightly...soft left arm/light grip pressure in left pinky...take it back with the face looking at the ball more...let the club "thump" the ground...experiment with what part of the club engages the turf to hit different shots....leading edge...middle of sole...back of sole....
you want the sweetspot hittin' the ball not the ho hoo hozel...so get the sweetspot looking at the ball and keep it looking at it...don't need much motion in the face...it's a chip...
be sure you ain't using some whacky hand/wrist motion to move the club...power it back and through with your right elbow more...not necessarily your wrists...let them respond.
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Last edited by 12 piece bucket : 11-04-2011 at 11:35 PM.
Thanks to dodger, Daryl, 12pc and Brent. I think I have finally fixed the short game shanks. For those of you scared of saying the word or thinking there of some kind of black magic with the shanks, stop! It a physical, mechanical problem with the swing. Quit ignoring them and fix it. Use the info these guys provided. After working on what these guys said, I feel better about chip and pitch shots than I ever have. Thanks again.
Maybe I should switch sides?
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