What ever left hand grip you have cooked up at Fix , however bent it looks, it is Flat ! Capital F. Flat though it might not be "flat" , visually flat to ones eye.
And ..... Impact Swivel and Finish see a return to Adjusted Bent Left / Flat Right .
Come and get me if you want but that is what I believe. I know some dont ... thats ok . Different strokes for different folks. Im talking free flowing , free wheeling here not a hold off, or hold on to right wrist bend forever method , or or or ... Not saying you cant play well like that you can . Tiger might be trying it out right now. Just talking free wheeling , flail action , swinging .
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I just got off the phone with - Vincent "Vinny Gorgeous" Basciano.
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Guys, I am enjoying this discussion of wrist positions and more to the point, I actually understand it! I am walking around school and my house with my bent right wrist taped bent. It is hard to brush my teeth on the left side of my mouth but I am enjoying, as always, the challenge! LOL
I am trying to apply your discussion to this video.
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Guys, I am enjoying this discussion of wrist positions and more to the point, I actually understand it! I am walking around school and my house with my bent right wrist taped bent. It is hard to brush my teeth on the left side of my mouth but I am enjoying, as always, the challenge! LOL
I am trying to apply your discussion to this video.
IMO that exaggerated arched left is a manipulation , a horizontal wrist motion. Homer tolerated a bit of arch "insurance " as he called it against a bending Left , flattening right , Throwaway. But you dont NEED to do that exactly , as video'd...it breaks the left arm flying wedge!
IMO that exaggerated arched left is a manipulation , a horizontal wrist motion. Homer tolerated a bit of arch "insurance " as he called it against a bending Left , flattening right , Throwaway. But you dont NEED to do that exactly , as video'd...it breaks the left arm flying wedge!
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The Hinges are actually “mounted” at the Left Shoulder but the real control comes with moving or holding the Left Wrist in the positions called for by the respective Hinge arrangements. The Hinge Action Control is required only from Impact to the end of the Follow-through. Except, of course, when the Stroke Pattern Wrist Action dictates otherwise.
We know how that's done. I know that the above quote talks about realigning the Hinge with Elbow Locations, and that has almost nothing to do with the issue you raised. But it is related somewhat and I wanted to use it because I've been saving it for a long time.
GM is using a Horizontal Hinge and tracing the Angle of Approach at Impact which adds ADD LAYBACK to the Horizontal Hinge. He's a big time Angled Hinge Machine until he uses a Full Swing, which he then traces the Arc of Approach.
His Hand Alignments on short swings are partly the result of tracing the Angle of Approach. But ONLY partly. Mostly, it results from GM relocating Low-Point Forward of his Left Shoulder.
Essentially, he's playing the Ball back in his stance but shifting the Clubhead Orbit Forward. Watch him narrow his stance, so that his Hands won't arrive at the Right Forearm Angle of Approach Alignment until forward of his Left Shoulder. Arched Left Wrist with Dead Hands is a "Dead Giveaway" to using this procedure.
With his "Dead Hands" outlook, he finishes with the shaft at Low-Point geometry. Watch for the exact moment his Clubshaft becomes Vertical to the ground. Shows just How Forward he re-located Low Point.
I'm sure he does this intentionally to demonstrate that the Hands should only work as "simple clamps". Yet he's using a geometry that he doesn't set up for his students. Hmm?
I dont want to get into any mud slinging so Ill tread carefully . Frankly It's not necessary. Alex , Gregg M , Ben D are all great proponents of Homers work, instructors and gentlemen but there are differences in their personal patterns, and what/how they teach. But its frustrating for a newby to see or read one thing and discover another guy is saying just the opposite! This used to frustrate me a lot. Not so much anymore.
Lynn teaches Homers Alignments combined with "motion" as per McDonald , Melhourne and a side order of Runyans short game methodology. Gregg McHatton has a fine fine game and swing . Its free, flowing , swinging and to my eye anyways he manipulates an Angled Hinge ... great pattern . He may hang onto Right Wrist bend forever! Or try to , I dont know . My point is that whilst Lynn considers free wheeling with Angled a fine pattern (I have a post of his on file where he says just this) , he taught me to free wheel with Horizontal , with a bent left/ flat right post Finish Swivel. I know this doesnt jibe with what a lot of other GSED's have said before ...... but I like it personally, having gone the arched , hold off route previously. Its what I see on TV for the most part. You've got options though. Heck you should be able to Angle and Horizontal at will for full shots ... Hogan did . If you watch closely , when Lynn is working with Jeff Hull in their premium video , Lynn can be heard to remark on how Jeff can hold on to his right wrist bend as long as anybody he's ever seen . Its meant as a compliment and it is one . That aside with me he changed that to bent left /flat right at Finish Swivel.
We know how that's done. I know that the above quote talks about realigning the Hinge with Elbow Locations, and that has almost nothing to do with the issue you raised. But it is related somewhat and I wanted to use it because I've been saving it for a long time.
GM is using a Horizontal Hinge and tracing the Angle of Approach at Impact which adds ADD LAYBACK to the Horizontal Hinge. He's a big time Angled Hinge Machine until he uses a Full Swing, which he then traces the Arc of Approach.
His Hand Alignments on short swings are partly the result of tracing the Angle of Approach. But ONLY partly. Mostly, it results from GM relocating Low-Point Forward of his Left Shoulder.
Essentially, he's playing the Ball back in his stance but shifting the Clubhead Orbit Forward. Watch him narrow his stance, so that his Hands won't arrive at the Right Forearm Angle of Approach Alignment until forward of his Left Shoulder. Arched Left Wrist with Dead Hands is a "Dead Giveaway" to using this procedure.
With his "Dead Hands" outlook, he finishes with the shaft at Low-Point geometry. Watch for the exact moment his Clubshaft becomes Vertical to the ground. Shows just How Forward he re-located Low Point.
I'm sure he does this intentionally to demonstrate that the Hands should only work as "simple clamps". Yet he's using a geometry that he doesn't set up for his students. Hmm?
Narrow stance= shifting Low Point Forward (I knew that, thanks D!)
Tracing Angle of Approach=Layback added to Horizontal Horizontal (I knew that, thanks D!)
Dead Hands-I know this is what GM strives for-Lynn showed me this too, I need another visit after Chicago/Wisconsin/MN-when done the right way, the ball is "hammered" and feels to have maximum Bent Right Wrist, just like the Bucket Drill, D! Very nice OB, good to see you/read you!
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HP, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Progress and not perfection is the goal every day!
I dont want to get into any mud slinging so Ill tread carefully . Frankly It's not necessary. Alex , Gregg M , Ben D are all great proponents of Homers work, instructors and gentlemen but there are differences in their personal patterns, and what/how they teach. But its frustrating for a newby to see or read one thing and discover another guy is saying just the opposite! This used to frustrate me a lot. Not so much anymore.
Lynn teaches , respects a good number of Homers patterns to the best of my knowledge with a dash of "motion" as per McDonald , Melhourne and a side order of Runyans short game methodology. Gregg McHatton has a fine fine game and swing . Its free, flowing , swinging but to my eye he manipulates an Angled Hinge ... great pattern . He may hang onto Right Wrist bend forever! Or try to , I dont know . My point is that whilst Lynn considers free wheeling with Angled a fine pattern (I have a post of his on file where he says just this) , he taught me to free wheel with Horizontal , with a bent left/ flat right post Finish Swivel. I know this doesnt jibe with what a lot of other GSED's have said before ...... but I think he's bang on . Its what I see on TV for instance. You've got options though. If you watch closely , when Lynn is working with Jeff Hull in their premium video , Lynn can be heard to remark on how Jeff can hold on to his right wrist bend longer than anybody he's ever seen . With me on the other hand he changed that to bent left /flat right !
And it feels right!
I know where you're coming from and I agree that teachers fall into patterns.
Lynn told me, and I agree, and Homer said this in the book, that the Left Wrist can either Face the Angle of Approach or become perfectly Vertical at Impact (Sorry, I don't have time to look it up). Could that be the difference?? Could a Left Wrist Facing the Angle of Approach lead to a naturally occurring Bent Left/Flat Right Wrist at Follow through? And, one that's perfectly Vertical lead to keeping the Right Wrist Bent? I'll experiment over the weekend.
When I use: (all 3 Patterns include a Flat, Level and Vertical Left Wrist at Impact)
Bent Left at End with #2 PP Sensing Lag: Flat Left Wrist Finish Swivel. When I just want to enjoy the Play.
Flat Left at End with #2 PP Sensing Lag: Flat Left Wrist Finish Swivel. I don't use this very much. Very difficult.
Flat Left at End with 3# PP Sensing Lag: Flat Left Wrist Finish Swivel. My Favorite.
Narrow stance= shifting Low Point Forward (I knew that, thanks D!)
Tracing Angle of Approach=Layback added to Horizontal Horizontal (I knew that, thanks D!)
Dead Hands-I know this is what GM strives for-Lynn showed me this too, I need another visit after Chicago/Wisconsin/MN-when done the right way, the ball is "hammered" and feels to have maximum Bent Right Wrist, just like the Bucket Drill, D! Very nice OB, good to see you/read you!
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You know that. You can demonstrate and teach it. Doesn't it seem logical now that you can manipulate Low-Point. Now there are two of us who know. It's up to us to teach the World. How could they ever learn this on their own??????
This would make my wife very happy too probably.
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