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Old 01-22-2007, 05:43 AM
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Right arm swing
Is it theoretically possible to swing(pull) with the right arm? doesnt the right side always hit (push)?
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Old 01-22-2007, 06:32 AM
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Pull with both hands
Absolutely. Better power and control.

The right arm can do either.
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Old 01-22-2007, 08:31 AM
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In TGM terms... Right arm swing = the orbit of the clubhead changes from the left shoulder to right elbow. and it actually is bad for the elbow. 10-3-K... flat left wrist no longer an essential.

TGM... 2 choices.

The arm either Push push pushagainst the shaft till both arm straight and hand below waist, ( axe, hitting, rotational )

Or the arms
will Pull the shaft and the elbow straightens straightens to both elbow straight and hands below waist. that is swinging. rope handle technique.

subtle but Huge difference.


If fast , Swing. Less tiring too.

If strong , Hit.
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Old 01-22-2007, 11:39 AM
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You can pull with the right arm- it becomes active. A pull is linear and the clubhead changes position with the grip end during release by a whirling arc. It doesn't matter what pulls, as long as the shaft is pulled.

A right arm push is cross line- driving from the inside to the ball in a straightline, a line that is angled/crossed to the plane line, by pushing the back of the shaft.
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Old 01-22-2007, 03:20 PM
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PM DelewareGolf for more information, he is the guru of the right arm swing.
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Old 01-22-2007, 05:53 PM
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Is it theoretically possible to swing(pull) with the right arm? doesnt the right side always hit (push)?
Yes, provided the right elbow stays in front of the right hand and the palm of the hand is horizontal to, and faces away from, the inclined plane. The right hand is supporting and pulling along with the left.

This "pull", however, will turn in to a push as these orientations change - i.e when the elbow is overtaken by the hand and the palm of the hand rotates from the horizontal into perpendicular to the inclined plane as it turns to face the target.
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Old 01-23-2007, 06:18 AM
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Re Right arm swing
Thanks for all intiated replies! However, stubborn as I am, I am still not convinced that one could swing(pull) with the right arm since according to the laws of physics a force coming from the rear will always be a pushing one. I feel somewhat confused.
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Old 01-23-2007, 10:29 AM
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Thanks for all intiated replies! However, stubborn as I am, I am still not convinced that one could swing(pull) with the right arm since according to the laws of physics a force coming from the rear will always be a pushing one. I feel somewhat confused.
The pull starts the downswing. That force is coming from the front with either hand. Can you not pull a rope from the top right to the bottom left with the right arm? It is CF that whirls or whips the clubhead to the front.

Pushing a club also starts will a pull until the hands are set to push off the pivot. That is why the hands go to the 'end' and not the top- less pull to where the hands do the job.

A push is straight line. All pulls are arcs.
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Old 01-23-2007, 10:48 AM
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Thanks for all intiated replies! However, stubborn as I am, I am still not convinced that one could swing(pull) with the right arm since according to the laws of physics a force coming from the rear will always be a pushing one. I feel somewhat confused.
It's all about the acceleration. There are only two options, and they happen to be mutually exclusive. You either accelerate the golf club longitudinally or radially. I think 7-19 and 10-19 talk about this.

Longitudinal acceleration is possible with the left arm, and/or the right arm.....I think the only thing that matters is how the club is moving/accelerating. Using the right arm to accelerate the golf club longitudinally would produce a 'right arm swing.'

Labrador - think about a pool cue stick. When you move the cue stick back and through the billiards ball you are moving the length of the stick longitudinally. Like this:

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If you took the cue stick and turned it 90 degrees from the ball like this:

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and used the length of the stick to move the ball, this is radial acceleration.

I think the same applies to the clubshaft.
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Old 01-23-2007, 11:18 AM
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Labrador,

Your concern is a good educated deduction and correct. as the right elbow straightening is a push nonetheless..

However , the difference is very subtle Yet VERY huge once you understand it and know its application.

for right forearm pulling...

1. The right elbow is in front of the right hips before and after impact and the pivot delivers the right elbow.. For a really extreme way of pulling... please refer to Lorena Ochoa, or Paula Creamer.. the extreme way they drag their elbow make them look like a rag doll. of course, not all pulling have to be that extreme.. Look at Hogan, Sam Snead for more or less standard way of pulling.

2. The right elbow is passive and the pivot pulls the left arms and the right arms-- so gravity, centrifugal and centripidal force will straighten the right elbow till both elbow straight. However, the right arm still pushes .. but pushes not Powering the stroke however merely providing structure(extensor action)

+ what 6mike says... to a certain extend ,, it feels like Pushing through impact, and pulling at start down... I suggest you study Tom Tommasello videos.. 2nd letter + arm ..


It took me a 9 months to understand this simple yet" complicated "concept.. but its like Christopher Columbus.. once u know it.. its easy.
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