Two pictures of wrists at impact
The picture on the left was the "recommended wrist position," while the picture on the right was labelled the "antiroll wrist position"
I think I often have an impact position similar to the picture on the right side.
Quote from the author (TGM-educated)
"An antiroll wrist position at impact (where the lead wrist is flat but rolled to the right for a right-handed player) will counterbalance a closed face. One can play using this variation, but like the "rolled" position of a weak grip, requires perfect timing and is consequently subject to under or over correction on the downswing."
What do you think of the last sentence (in bold)? I tend to have a closed clubface (at the top of the backswing) and the impact position seen in the picture on the right. Do you think it's a bad impact position for the wrists?
Thanks
Last edited by noproblemos : 04-07-2006 at 08:01 PM.
Two pictures of wrists at impact
The picture on the left was the "recommended wrist position," while the picture on the right was labelled the "antiroll wrist position"
I think I often have an impact position similar to the picture on the right side.
Quote from the author (TGM-educated)
"An antiroll wrist position at impact (where the lead wrist is flat but rolled to the right for a right-handed player) will counterbalance a closed face. One can play using this variation, but like the "rolled" position of a weak grip, requires perfect timing and is consequently subject to under or over correction on the downswing."
What do you think of the last sentence (in bold)? I tend to have a closed clubface (at the top of the backswing) and the impact position seen in the picture on the right. Do you think it's a bad impact position for the wrists?
Thanks
The pic on the right is the Trevino 10-2-D look. Due to the Turned Left Hand Grip, the release motion must be made with the left hand still in the turned condition and the Finish Swivel MUST happen later. Also, Horizontal Hinging with this grip type is a NO NO.
All that being said . . . There are some particularly those on the Darkside that actually recommend a Turned Left Hand BECAUSE it eliminates the need for any Swiveling PRIOR TO the Imapct Interval. Thus ELIMINATING what could be percieved as an "unnecessary variable." So you just have the Left Hand Turned to the Plane and it just rides the Plane Uncocks ONLY, which is "throwing the Clubface at the ball."
So an strong arguement could be made to support the bold statement.
Examples would be Lee Buck, Zinger and Morgan Pressel.
The pic on the right is the Trevino 10-2-D look. Due to the Turned Left Hand Grip, the release motion must be made with the left hand still in the turned condition and the Finish Swivel MUST happen later. Also, Horizontal Hinging with this grip type is a NO NO.
All that being said . . . There are some particularly those on the Darkside that actually recommend a Turned Left Hand BECAUSE it eliminates the need for any Swiveling PRIOR TO the Imapct Interval. Thus ELIMINATING what could be percieved as an "unnecessary variable." So you just have the Left Hand Turned to the Plane and it just rides the Plane Uncocks ONLY, which is "throwing the Clubface at the ball."
So an strong arguement could be made to support the bold statement. [Emphasis added.]
Examples would be Lee Buck, Zinger and Morgan Pressel.
12 piece,
Did you mean to say that a strong argument could be made against the bold statement?
The pic on the right is the Trevino 10-2-D look. Due to the Turned Left Hand Grip, the release motion must be made with the left hand still in the turned condition and the Finish Swivel MUST happen later. Also, Horizontal Hinging with this grip type is a NO NO.
All that being said . . . There are some particularly those on the Darkside that actually recommend a Turned Left Hand BECAUSE it eliminates the need for any Swiveling PRIOR TO the Imapct Interval. Thus ELIMINATING what could be percieved as an "unnecessary variable." So you just have the Left Hand Turned to the Plane and it just rides the Plane Uncocks ONLY, which is "throwing the Clubface at the ball."
So an strong arguement could be made to support the bold statement.
Examples would be Lee Buck, Zinger and Morgan Pressel.
The main trade off is power. Lee, Zinger and Pressel could have all hit it farther using a weaker grip and full roll (transfer power). This requires better Rhythm however.
But they never would have been as accurate as they are.
It will be interesting to see if Pressel stays with the grip she has now, or if playing with longer drivers will push her to try to gain distance.
A vast majority of higher handicapers would do better with 10-2-D (and the fade it basically requires) because of the significant advantage in ease of compression as well as the lesser requirement of Rhythm. The problem arises when 10-2-D players try to play a draw
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Did you mean to say that a strong argument could be made against the bold statement?
RT
No sir. I meant FOR because the need for Swivel is eliminated as well as Horizontal Hinging. With the Left Hand "pre-turned" to the Plane then there is no need for all the required Roll of 10-2-B.
The main trade off is power. Lee, Zinger and Pressel could have all hit it farther using a weaker grip and full roll (transfer power). This requires better Rhythm however.
But they never would have been as accurate as they are.
It will be interesting to see if Pressel stays with the grip she has now, or if playing with longer drivers will push her to try to gain distance.
A vast majority of higher handicapers would do better with 10-2-D (and the fade it basically requires) because of the significant advantage in ease of compression as well as the lesser requirement of Rhythm. The problem arises when 10-2-D players try to play a draw
If a 10-2-D reduces some power because you do not receive the full power of accumulator #3, then how come couples and daly hit the ball so far?
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No sir. I meant FOR because the need for Swivel is eliminated as well as Horizontal Hinging. With the Left Hand "pre-turned" to the Plane then there is no need for all the required Roll of 10-2-B.
12 piece,
I'm a little confused. Your first post said:
Quote:
"All that being said . . . There are some particularly those on the Darkside that actually recommend a Turned Left Hand BECAUSE it eliminates the need for any Swiveling PRIOR TO the Imapct Interval. Thus ELIMINATING what could be percieved as an 'unnecessary variable.' So you just have the Left Hand Turned to the Plane and it just rides the Plane Uncocks ONLY, which is 'throwing the Clubface at the ball.'
So an strong arguement could be made to support the bold statement."
I read this to mean that a 10-2-D grip with its attendant lack of roll can be argued to be the preferred variation. However, the bold portion of the original post indicated that the "anti-roll" grip requires better timing than (I presume) Standard Wrist Action and therefore would not be preferred. I have reproduced the bold portion of the original post below.
Quote:
Quote from the author (TGM-educated)
"An antiroll wrist position at impact (where the lead wrist is flat but rolled to the right for a right-handed player) will counterbalance a closed face. One can play using this variation, but like the "rolled" position of a weak grip, requires perfect timing and is consequently subject to under or over correction on the downswing."
I read this to mean that a 10-2-D grip with its attendant lack of roll can be argued to be the preferred variation. However, the bold portion of the original post indicated that the "anti-roll" grip requires better timing than (I presume) Standard Wrist Action and therefore would not be preferred. I have reproduced the bold portion of the original post below.
Am I missing something?
RT
Sorry I re-read the statement in bold. I'm not sure I know what the heck it is saying. But all I'm saying is that it could be argued that 10-2-D could be a better grip for some than 10-2-B due to reducing the variable of Swiveling. I think Mac O'Grady actually was a proponent of this.
Sorry if I have confused the issue at hand. But again my position is that 10-2-D with the Turned Left Hand ain't necessarily a bad grip choice.
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