[birdie_man]

I had once posted here or somewhere else regarding my take on hitting down or up. Everyone references the ground and clubhead path.

I contend that you can be hitting down with regrard to your power applied and yet in reference to the ground it would appear because of the clubhead path's that you are hitting up. My focus was on the Right Shoulder path, still moving down and foward assuming you have your wedges in tact.

IMO drawing lines and applying definitions with out the understanding of the reference used in the definitions can lead to suspect conclusions.

Take the standard definition of Low Point, left shoulder, arm vertical line down to define it on or below the ground. Now does this require the shoulders to be square to the clubhead plane line? If the shoulders were open does this change it anyway, the definition and location? Does Axis Tilt impact it, assuming no sway? And there are more questions. Is it convenient to define low point to the ground, even if you have an uphill or downhill lie? If low point is truly the full extension of the swing radius, then I would think position of the shoulders, rotation and tilt, will change this point.

Though it may be projected to the ground, isn't the real purpose in defining low point is for location of the ball such that it is at or behind low point so the applied force will be down and through vs having an upward motion characteristic where applied power will no longer be accelerating?

If we had an overhead view of the golfer in question, and applied traditional definitions as seen in the lines, what would we see in regards to the Impact Line and Low Point Line? What would be the clubhead orbit? As it is being defined it would appear that the clubhead orbit would be from out to in since we would have to pass over the low point to reach the impact point. (The Impact Plane Line is always parallel to the Low Point Plane Line on the Sweet Spot Plane. They can be one of the same lines when the ball is located at low point, else the Impact Plane Line is aways between the golfer and the Low Point Plane Line.)

I think that he is driving down and out or has the ball at the true Low Point Location.

I shall hang on to this picture, makes for good notes in my study of the lines, angles and analysis of video and pictures.

I think your second picture is at an angle the right side closer to the camera than left.

Again, the more I see these lines applied for analysis the more I begin to believe that they are mis-applied.

Martee,

I have been wondering about a lot of the same things...especially the first part regarding Thrust and a 2nd Low Point"....both in relation to the body (or R. Shoulder or the shoulder line or Axis Tilt or w/e).....

As you say, not in relation to the ground.....

The thrust seems to end when the right arm straightens, regardless of actual Low Point (Left Shoulder).

I'm thinking in relation to the body....taking into account Axis Tilt angle....shoulder line, etc.