[Yoda]

John and Yoda, one of my main points in this debate is that the reader
should not have to reference TGM to understand "where HK is coming
from" in comments intended for the readership of a golf magazine -
unless, UNLESS he gave a footnote to TGM with the comment, "you'll have
to go here to see what I really mean".

In plain English the public will intrepret "as flat as possible" to
be an absolutely horizonal turn. Turn the shoulders as flat as possible and
you'll have close to a baseball batter's plane. For a golfer you most certainly
will not be on plane. I'm sure HK got it right in TGM, but again, his article
or comments for the article in the given context are inaccurate and
misleading to say the least. My point remains valid.


David Alford

"As flat as possible" means exactly what you have cleverly
deduced...horizontal. If you can do it. If you cannot...then
turn the Shoulder as instructed, i.e., "as flat as possible."
Just what part of "as flat as possible" don't you get?
Understanding this phrase does not require a knowledge of TGM; it
requires only the ability to read and comprehend. Only my
explanation of your misinterpretation required a knowledge of TGM.

Unfortunately, SuperDave, you understood Homer Kelley all too well. When he
said "as flat as possible" -- ideally horizontal -- he meant it.
The problem is with you and your mistaken notion that the Plane of the
Shoulder Turn dictates the Plane of the Clubhead Orbit. And that, my friend,
is simply not the case. On the Backstroke, the Shoulders and the Clubhead
Rotate in two distinctly different Planes. Always have. Always will.

Beyond that, to say that a horizontal Shoulder Turn would produce a baseball
batter's Plane reveals just how fragmented your concepts really are. It is
not even a good comparison, much less proof that your "point remains
valid." Remember, we're talking about the horizontal Shoulder Turn in
the Backstroke, and you are obviously referring to the batter's
horizontal shoulder turn in the Downstroke.