[birdie_man]

No, Birdie, Homer Kelley was not God.

But he was the author of The Golfing Machine.

And my post dealt only with the Clubface Alignments detailed therein.

Further, no one -- certainly not me -- said Ben's swing was "FLAT OUT WRONG." In fact, I said in the introduction to my post that the (obviously extreme) Alignments "may have been intended and for a purpose."

And "teaching slicers how not to slice" was never an issue in "the debate." The issue was the Hinge Action and Swivel Alignments as defined in The Golfing Machine. And even if there was such an issue, are we to believe that Ben is a Slicer in need of help? Please.

In fact, there has been no debate -- on the issue -- at all. I stated emphatically that the alignments demonstrated in this particular Stroke were NOT those dictated in Paragraph 2-G of The Golfing Machine. The Clubface was not maintained Vertical to an Associated Plane (Horizontal, Angled or Vertical) for any meaningful time through Impact, and it was Swiveled well past the On Plane Alignment early into the Finish.

I supported my post with factual references to the text.

There has been no argument as to these alignments.

Lynn,

First of all, I think that message was in response to Matthew....he spoke of conforming, etc.

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I realize that you didn't say exactly (i.e. to quote you) that "It is flat-out wrong" Lynn.

....and actually, I didn't catch the part where you said the Alignments "may have been intended and for a purpose"....thanks for pointing that out....that helps.

I dunno.....I just get the feeling that you and some people really are very opposed to this more-or-less entirely. Unless I missed something. Did I miss something??

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You're right....you haven't raised any debate about whether this is about teaching slicers to slice....that is a related, but seperated issue. You're right. (maybe we can address that one later, no?)

The issue is Ben making a swing in that particular video....you are right on that one actually.

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It has been said....it works for him (apparently)....and apparently it works for some people.

IF (if) Ben can hit straight shots (or slight fades, as it may be) all day long....case closed, as far as I'm concerned- it must be a viable way to swing. Not by Homer's definition of a Hinge Action neccessarily....but a viable way to move the golf ball from point A to B.

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I have to assume also, that Ben and Brian fully understand how a Hinge Action (the way you teach it Lynn...the way it's described in TGM) works....I also have to assume that they're experimented with it fully. I understand the argument about executing a Hinge Action as a Swivel Action.....I have to assume they do too. They must. Who knows....I could be wrong.

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That's enough for me really....(unless I've gotten my facts wrong).

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BTW, I said that I thought Ben's Swivel was "a little strange"....

But then again....I don't like liver and onions much either....my dad likes em.

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Good topic here.