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Thanks for the reply.

After I wrote my previous post, I got thinking and went and got his book. He describes the downstroke as the pulling of the club and at the moment of truth to pour it on with the right hand.

To be honest I thought the pictures supported swinging.

I believe these are posed pictures so I am not sure we get a real accurate understanding of the actual stroke but a modified picture of what the golfer positions himself for at times.

Right you are my friend...I would have preferred a video clip so that I can stop it at the 12 sections as defined by TGM. As to whether they are posed, I am not so sure, as Bobby does hit the ball in frames 9 & 10.


Anyway I would submit that the forearm alignment is closer IMO to supporting the secondary assembly.

I agree with you completely on that. I would like to point out that I didnt cite Bobby as a posterboy (i.e. perfect representation) of Hitting. I just said it was a classic, ok maybe that wasnt too appropriate - how about 'nice'?

Mr. Kelley says that there are quadrillion correct patterns. Though it is nice to be able to conform to the preferred patterns of 12-1-0 and 12-2-0; some of us cant.

I am loathe to say this, but although Bobby doesnt comply to 12-1-0, that doesnt make his stroke less correct. I mean afterall the man still found a way to make it on tour.

If one's stroke patterns does not contain conflicting variations, I dont see why it cant work for them. Per 3-A, "...allow for psychological needs and preferences too."

The length of the back stroke since posed could be restricted but I am not sure that it needs to be any longer to classified as a swinger.

With regards to Leo's comments about the Power Package Assembly Point being assemble at End; the hitter certainly can do that - but he need not.

I think the same holds true regarding identifying the 10-3 type since the following frame does not IMO support either. Either there needs to be some elbow bend/right wrist bend or the elbow needs to be a bit more foreward. Frame gives me the impressin that the shaft is vertical to the ground to support 10-3a else it might be 10-3b just not very deep. Too hard for me to tell

I think he is showing a bit of down stroke or float loading, which would explain why the club appears to be more vertical than horizontal at the top.

Per 10-19-0, "Float Loading can be either one."
Float loading is not the same as Drive Load or Drag Load. I have heard some very knowledgeable TGMers say that it (Float Loading) should not have been classified together with Drive and Drag.

Also per 4-D-1, "Hitters, especially, must learn to straighten the Right Arm without flattening the Right Wrist...Then learn to "float", from The Top through Impact, an inert, unstressed Right Wrist with its Impact Fix degree of Bend."

I am very interested in your comment regarding club face alignment and hinging. I need to do (continue) studying, I wasn't aware that you could identify hinging at the top. This is quite curious to me as you can have any of the hinging in Basic and Acquire Motion without reaching the top. Can you expand on this or point to some more references.

Sure we can. Per the glossary, Hinge Action, "The blade of a hinge is always vertical to its Plane of Rotation."

Because Angled Hinging takes place on its own plane of motion, there is to be a no turn or roll feel - per 7-10, "Rhythm in both directions."

If you execute a Single Wrist Action per 10-18-C correctly, the clubface will be 'shut' ala Paul Azinger and Bobby Nichols.

A Standard Wrist Action per 10-18-A, "...the Wrist is Turned and Cocked (FCT) during the Backstroke..."

Note that you are asking about Hinge Action only and not whether the player is swinging or hitting. One can most certainly swing from a 'shut' face at the top, he only needs to consciously resist the tendency of Centrifugal Force toward Horizontal Hinging (10-19-0).

What little I know from static pictures I have shared...the ideal would be of course high speed clips. But...

Hi Martee...

For ease of reading and referencing, I have typed my answers in BOLD above.