[lagster]

Originally Posted by lagster

Originally Posted by EdZ The difference is 'counter fall' - a reverse pivot moves 'center', a 'counter fall' keeps center stable - Similar to Austin's view of the hips/tailbone swinging, with the head/center being stable. A right anchor keeps the tailbone still (bottom of spine), standard knee keeps the head still (top of spine). Either the 'top swings' or the 'bottom swings'. (keep the hips level - right anchor, or allow the hips to tilt - standard knee action, right leg straightens) Hitter's IMO should use standard action because it really, really helps the crossline hip motion. Despite what is being taught as Austin's approach now (which isn't what I think he really did), I have really grown to appreciate his swing and theories more and more - especially his hip motion. Ed... Are you talking about COUNTERFALL as in Mr. David Lee's definition of counterfall( a slight backwards fall into the left heel that allows the body to rotate without trying... on the downswing) or are you speaking of something else? He believes there must be a COUNTERFALL to offset the OUTWARD PULL and WEIGHT of the arms. His procedure would probably be considered a PURE SWING.

I'm not familiar with Lee's definition. As for my view, Hogan did this well, more of a 'breaking down a door with your left shoulder' move, if that makes sense, perhaps what you described as Lee's view to a small extent.

The inability to 'stop' at the top/transition on your right leg because you are falling back onto your left.

Ed,

Yes... this type of thing can be seen easily in guys like Jack Nicklaus, Trevino, Hogan, Player, Couples, Els... i.e., the "fall back on to the left."

The backwards fall part is nearly invisable, but Lee says it is in there. Especially in the very smooooth... what he calls Gravity players. In TGM language... these smoooth guys would probably be variations of True Centrifugal Force Swingers.