LynnBlakeGolf Forums - View Single Post - Too much lag in pitching Thread: Too much lag in pitching View Single Post #3 08-06-2007, 01:05 PM 12 piece bucket Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Thomasville, NC Posts: 4,380 Originally Posted by rogerdodger The newest golf digest has David Leadbetter curing Charles Howell of "too much lag and clubshaft lean" in his pitching game. Mr. Kelley, stated that you could not have too much lag. Has anyone here ever taught a student that had too much lag? If so, what was changed? It makes no sense that lag is beneficial at two hundred yards from the green, but not from 80 yards. Any thoughts? First of all we must distinguish between the type of Lag being discussed to develop the proper context for this question. Mr. Kelley said that you can't have too much Lag maybe . . . but he was talking about ClubHEAD Lag. This is MUCH MUCH different than what Mr. Ledbetter is talking about. He's talking about Accumulator Lag. You can hit chips and putts that feel as "solid" as drives if you understand Clubhead Lag and Lag Pressure. There are many ways to have a high Thrust but low speed stroke that feels heavy and deliberate. You can Zero out your pivot. Make a Circle Path. Open your stance. Move your aiming point up-plane. Zero out your #3 accumulator. Zero out your #2 accumulator. Zero out #4 as well. I think Mr. K was very fond of chipping and pitching strokes that were Single Barrel Strokes particularly using the #1 Accumulator. With shots 80 yards and in you could always Zero out your Pivot. Meaning you still have Motion but not active participation (Action). So you are playing "arm" shots. 6-K-0 PIVOT STROKE DELIVERY In a “Pivot Stroke” the Power Package is held in a fixed relationship with the Body Turn and no independent Arm motion occurs until – or unless – the requirements of the selected Pivot are met. Then Arm Motion, independently or not, Continues Delivery per 10-19 until the selected Trigger occurs (10-20). 6-L-0 NON PIVOT STROKE DELIVERY In a “Non-Pivot Stroke” the Arm motion begins immediately and proceeds toward the Release Point as independently as possible of any incidental body motion. Monitor slow shots for “Clubhead Sag”, i.e. dropping Below Plane in either direction. See 2-N. However, for a Zero Pivot Sroke see 10-12-D. Maybe you just use a Single Barrel or Double Barrel Stroke. And that doen't just have to be 80 yards out with wedges. You may use those type of strokes with " 'tweener" yardages with a 7 iron or whatever. Mr. K said in 3-A "Never move anything unnecessarily, nor farther than necessary but allow for psychological needs and preferences too. " So most of your golf shots are way more about precision than full power (hopefully). So basically you can reduce the participation of selected Accumulators and STILL have plenty of Lag feel . . . STRONG DELIBERATE AND HEAVY. That is the beauty of the System and the beauty of the game. One shot you are required to hit a 250+ yard drive and then then next shot you have to hit a delicate lob. The answers to the questions the game poses to you are all in Yellow. __________________ Aloha Mr. Hand Behold my hands; reach hither thy hand Last edited by 12 piece bucket : 08-06-2007 at 01:09 PM. 12 piece bucket View Public Profile Send a private message to 12 piece bucket Find all posts by 12 piece bucket