[12 piece bucket]

OK, with feeling this time.

Nicklaus

Opening shoulders = not on plane

Define Tilt early......tilt away from the target? On plane

Tilt toward the ground? Possible to stay on plane but tricky

Hogan

Opening shoulders = off plane

Hogan's position can tolerate a tighter gyroscope, if that is what you mean.

Although I really can't imagine Hogan spinning out. Fast hips? The fastest.

But he pivoted, never spun. Are we getting closer?

I may have to call in Mike O for backup.......

UPP in snowy Ohio

Ok . . . the base line deal for Nicklaus is shorter right? So he HAS TO MOVE THE CLUB DOWN more and keep it from shooting out early. So his right shoulder moves down earlier than Hogan to keep the club going down and on plane.

Hogan on the other hand has a longer base line and has to turn open more to keep the hands on the flat plane. If he tilts early with his hands that deep and low (flat) . . . the club will get waaaaay inside and point well outside the plane line (under plane). Opposite for Nicklaus if he turns early . . . he's over plane.

So an instructor can say yo dude you need to get Axis Tilt get the shoulder going down plane NOW!!! Throw the drunk off . . . tilt the tea cup . . . That will work . . . depending right?