[KevCarter]

BullDog,

What an AMAZING answer. I am not at all interested in debate, I am here to learn from you guys. I am happy to hear that I'm not the first to wonder about this, now I don't feel quite as silly.

I am off to visit 7-3 and to revisit "PP3 where are you". Thank you VERY much for taking the time to help me, as always!!!

Kevin

Hi Kevin,

you are heading along the lines of a classic debate.... read anything by delawaregolf...Tom Tomasello...right arm pulling... australian TT video etc...

They argue that you can have a left arm/shoulder centred swing with a right arm active pull sensation...although if the right arm were actually doing the pulling...then the right elbow will have replaced the left shoulder as the swing centre...and you are "right arm swinger"....not a unTGM thing (video of HK on youtube admiring right arm swingers) ...but not the classic swinger.

The position of the right elbow is a anatomical alignment consequent of its function...hence if you drive load (to push with non-rotated pp3) it will be in a different position at top...which then leads naturally to punch elbow on DS....and then to angle of approach and then to angled hinge...hitting....same goes for swinging....

Try and work on pulling with the body...through your left arm...load pp4 (also pp3 rotates)....and then work out what position the right elbow/forearm should be in to support the clubshaft (secondary lever ...see 7-3) while you pull....imagine (or actually do it with left arm only ...swing to top/end...get someone to hold the sweetspot tightly....) a really heavy weight being pulled by your pivot, through your left arm...then work out intuitively where the right arm should go...when you load pp4 you will find the right elbow gives best support when it points down more...now - just for the sake of learning - put your right elbow more out - as per hitter or almost flying elbow style - it gives no suppport to the pull...hence it is not a swingers position / alignment....the right elbow pointing down then flows easily to pitch elbow...release swivel...impact...horizontal hinge...swivel back to plane...swinging.

BUT it all stems from understanding loading of the shaft...elbow positions are secondary to that.

see these pics I did last year:
http://www.putfile.com/pic/7151679#
http://www.putfile.com/pic/7144727#

If you pull with your pivot you are a left arm swinger... supposedly less tendon damage than right arm swinger (ie.if you pull solely with your right arm)...but if you pull with your pivot and you FEEL some right arm sensation...thats fine...that is Yoda's interpretation of what DG and TT have been describing all along.

The bit of the book is in 7-3...the key...watch the video..."PP3 where are you"...(i'm sure you have already)...but worth watching again.