[HungryBear]

I only run out of arm if I swing with a punch motion. I believe that as HK says that the pitch motion is better with a swinging motion BUT after examining this forum I see no discussion of the elbow "down and in front" for a pitch motion for swinging in fact it looks as if the punch motion is used in swinging in most of the video clips, I will use the pitch elbow because it does not create the problems (for me ) I posted above. I think when a change is made from a punch stroke to a pitch stroke the contrast is stark. I just do not see the pitch in the clips no do I read about it. Am I not correct that if swinging in either the basic or acquired motion the pitch requires the elbow in front before #2 release? AND even for these very short strokes the club must be swung back/up/in? Then the elbow would be left in front on these very short strokes rather than at the side. Hope I can communicate this better, don't know.