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Old 11-04-2006, 12:40 AM
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I got a "collegial" jab, I feel honored.
No jab intended, glcoach. Thank you for your inspiration.
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Old 11-04-2006, 01:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Mathew
A pivot is an act of turning around a point and reverse means going in the opposite direction.

The shoulders nor the hips should be turning around in an anticlockwise(right handed) direction on the backstroke.... I mean, I think even you can get that...lol

Ok well what about the slide in the hip action going in the reverse direction - hence reverse hip action ...nope...
To me, it very obviously has nothing to do with what direction the shoulders or hips turn...

I realize you're trying to relate it to TGM terms but I just think "reverse pivot" is pretty ample as a term to use casually.

Almost everyone knows what it is, even if their definition is a general one.

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Ok so what is the next point you could possibly make - the pivot point reverses forward in its direction ... but that makes me confused - how would then concentrating on a stationary head make you 'reverse pivot'... Think about it...
I wasn't even gonna get into the whole pivot center debate this time...I have my mind pretty much made up about that one already....BTW it includes both sides...but leans to one admittedly.

I just thought that reverse pivot was a common enough term to use casually.

However, for the record, now that you got me thinking, I think that using the eyes to monitor if the head has moved or not is of pretty minor usefulness. IMO.

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Old 11-04-2006, 02:23 AM
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Originally Posted by birdie_man
VERY (VERY) obviously it has NOTHING to do with what direction the shoulders or hips turn...
Actually technically speaking, the words 'reverse pivot' encites a turning movement in a reverse direction from its normal manner....

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I AM smart enough to realize you're trying to relate it to TGM terms but I just think "reverse pivot" is pretty ample as a term to use casually.
Nothing is reversed.... I could understand it if it was even partially right - but its all wrong....

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Almost everyone (including my grandma) knows what it is, even if their definition is a general one.
Peer beyond the surface and you'll find they don't really and neither do alot of pro's - the fix by substandard pros is to sway....

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Old 11-04-2006, 02:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Mathew
Actually technically speaking, the words 'reverse pivot' encites a turning movement in a reverse direction from its normal manner....
Who said anything about speaking technically...

C'mon man everyone knows what a reverse pivot is.

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Nothing is reversed.... I could understand it if it was even partially right - but its all wrong....
The spine is reversed....

i.e. tilted towards the target.

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Peer beyond the surface and you'll find they don't really and neither do alot of pro's - the fix by substandard pros is to sway....
I think most people know what a reverse pivot is- general definition.

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Old 11-04-2006, 02:55 AM
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Originally Posted by birdie_man
Who said anything about speaking technically...

C'mon man everyone knows what a reverse pivot is.

The spine is reversed....

i.e. tilted towards the target.
Birdie....

The spine is tilted 'towards the target' ...

The hip action is slide-turn on the backstroke where else is the spine mean't to go

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Old 11-04-2006, 12:06 PM
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How can you not tell if you have swayed?

If I can't tell if I've swayed or moved my head, I must have ZERO body awareness. When I sway, I feel more pressure and stretching in my right hip.

I also think the statement "I see great hazards in keeping the head still, because people keep it too still which can lead to a reverse pivot" could be just as valid.

IOW there are extremes either way, the best procedure, in my mind is somewhere in the middle. If you can keep your head precisely centered and perform the 3 imperatives, do it. If you cannot, find something that allows you to perform them.

I don't want to fight, I just think there are 2 sides to every story.
And, to whom may we attribute this quote, in red?

Here's another quote without anonymity. This is from Homer himself: "I think holding the head still has tremendous advantage."

I don't want to fight either, but there are two sides: Homer's and someone else's.
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Originally Posted by YodasLuke
And, to whom may we attribute this quote, in red?

Here's another quote without anonymity. This is from Homer himself: "I think holding the head still has tremendous advantage."

I don't want to fight either, but there are two sides: Homer's and someone else's.
Ted,

Without a doubt you have addressed one of the main sources of golfing errors - unsubstantiated sayings that merely sound right.

I am not going to argue with a guy who spent the better part of his life researching the golf swing and validating his data.
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But are we just gonna throw out random quotes or are we gonna talk about the whys? Do we understand the whys?
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Originally Posted by Mathew
Birdie....

The spine is tilted 'towards the target' ...

The hip action is slide-turn on the backstroke where else is the spine mean't to go
I don't know what you mean.
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Old 11-04-2006, 03:45 PM
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But are we just gonna throw out random quotes or are we gonna talk about the whys? Do we understand the whys?
I would say, "bake at 350 degrees for 30 minutes" would be a random quote.

I would also say a quote from an expert with 42 years of experience on the subject matter being discussed would be pertinent.

"We" is rather inclusive, but, yes. "We" meaning "me" understands the whys, as I've read page after page of posts, listened to close to 100 hours of Homer’s teachings, and learned from THE AUTHORITY on the subject, Lynn Blake.

As a minor aside, giving 1300 to 1500 lessons per year gives one some insight into testing theory. Seeing this "theory" in application makes me a believer.

It simply works.
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