Don't think you'll find the answer in Orlando. If you do, it's with another pattern.
Hey, wait a minute.....
Are you saying that he will waste time vistiting the troika????
And that your answer is the best???
Lynn and co don't teach Tommy's pattern or with his method of teaching the right arm. How he taught me, some of the finer points of his instruction are not on the video tapes.
Never said 8cork would be wasting his time in Orlando....that's your incorrect assessment. See how things can get twisted.
Trust me, I have the upmost respect for the way Lynn approaches the machine. If I didn't decide to continue my studies with Tom Tomasello's instruction, I would be studying with Lynn and co.
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 02-24-2007 at 11:56 AM.
Don't think you'll find the answer in Orlando. If you do, it's with another pattern.
Maybe not, DG, but at the very least, we're going to have one heck of a good time looking!
I am happy you have found your "'answer" with the Pattern you learned from Tom Tomasello. And I appreciate your statement that it may also exist "with another pattern."
It is clear that there is more than one way to get the job done. I have always enjoyed the following quote from the Preface of the first edition of The Golfing Machine:
"Writing a book was not the original intention -- only to isolate the mechancial factors. Those factors seeped through slowly at first, but finally burst through the dikes. And the concept of "THE" correct Stroke could only just lay there while several trillion others swept over it. "
- don´t they teach it because they don´t know it or because it is a pattern that does not suit everybody?
Yes, it's in the book....Magic of the Right Forearm (to execute the downstroke with 12-1-0 and 12-2-0).
You'll have to ask other AI's why they don't teach like Tommy (but there are AIs that teach exactly what Tommy taught)...I believe Tommy decided to teach from Homers original approach, a right arm/arm swinging based approach to the game in line with Harry Vardon and Tommy Armour. Both Vardon and Armour were against starting the downswing with the lower body.
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 02-24-2007 at 12:20 PM.
Both Vardon and Armour were against starting the downswing with the lower body.
As I understand it, Tommy Armour's Start Down was all about getting the right knee in toward the ball. He taught that the feet and knees -- "footwork" as he called it -- moved the body out of the way (in both directions) so that the hands and arms could swing freely and then whip the club through the ball.
Maybe not, DG, but at the very least, we're going to have one heck of a good time looking!
I am happy you have found your "'answer" with the Pattern you learned from Tom Tomasello. And I appreciate your statement that it may also exist "with another pattern." .
It is clear that there is more than one way to get the job done. I have always enjoyed the following quote from the Preface of the first edition of The Golfing Machine:
"Writing a book was not the original intention -- only to isolate the mechancial factors. Those factors seeped through slowly at first, but finally burst through the dikes. And the concept of "THE" correct Stroke could only just lay there while several trillion others swept over it. "
Cool Yoda....I couldn't have said it better. Cheers to another successful LBG Academy/Workshop. Once I get the CFA exams completed, I'll attend one of the academies.
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 02-24-2007 at 12:31 PM.
Yes, it's in the book....Magic of the Right Forearm (to execute the downstroke with 12-1-0 and 12-2-0).
You'll have to ask other AI's why they don't teach like Tommy (but there are AIs that teach exactly what Tommy taught)...I believe Tommy decided to teach from Homers original approach, a right arm/arm swinging based approach to the game in line with Harry Vardon and Tommy Armour. Both Vardon and Armour were against starting the downswing with the lower body.
DG
First of all, I would like to apologize to the site owner and his crew and all members for not staying with the topic. Please delete or change to another place.
DG,
I have been following your posts with great interest, and your knowledge on Mr. Tomasellos teaching, is second to none.
But today I have reached the point where I need to say what has been bothering me.
I don´t know you or your background. I do know that you have spent time with Mr. Tomasello and, my interpretation of your posts here, that his word is law to you.
I, for thoose who did not know, am an AI.
Let me start with
"You'll have to ask other AI's why they don't teach like Tommy"
[We are taught and teach after the book written by Homer Kelley. If you did not know, you have over 44 trillions of different patterns that will fulfil the 3 imperatives. Which patterns to choose depends on the students CV.
To me, IMOO, that is a flexible system, MY WAY, not THE WAY.
"Trust me, I have the upmost respect for the way Lynn approaches the machine. If I didn't decide to continue my studies with Tom Tomasello's instruction, I would be studying with Lynn and co."
You did add this one to your original. I hope you do, since you are in his home.
"Cheers to another successful LBG Academy/Workshop"
Are you sarcastic?
I think you should be thankfull to Lynn and co. To have clips of your Master and Mr Doyle here is big. That tells me, I don´t know about you, how big Lynn´s generosity is.
You would not see that happen on any other golfsite.
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Last edited by Amen Corner : 02-24-2007 at 02:25 PM.
The Magic of the Right Forearm is NOTa stroke pattern. TMRF is part of every movement Homer discussed, from take-away to follow through. It is structure, it cocks, guides and ignites the clubhead. It is a part of every stroke pattern. And it isn't Extensor Action.
"Don't think you'll find the answer in Orlando" Cheapest shot yet to members of this forum, dg.
But you are right, he won't find the answer in Orlando- Mickey knows nothing about golf. Best to wait til Yoda gets into town and kicks it into high gear. Lynn and Co will unlock the book and fill-in the blanks.
As I understand it, Tommy Armour's Start Down was all about getting the right knee in toward the ball. He taught that the feet and knees -- "footwork" as he called it -- moved the body out of the way (in both directions) so that the hands and arms could swing freely and then whip the club through the ball.
As for Harry Vardon, well...
He taught Armour.
This is a quote from an article about one of the power sources of Vardon's swing...interesting reading...can't verify its accuracy.
"......So how could he be a long hitter and suffer from tuberculosis at the same time? The answer is in his bent left elbow.
Yes, I know your Pro has told you many times to keep a straight left elbow. And that is the classic thinking even today.
But is a difference between the problem the Pros are trying to prevent and what Vardon did. Many amateurs will over-swing at the top and let their left elbow bend.
On the start down, they will again straighten out the elbow causing extra movement and swing plane variations. What Vardon did was something else. He HELD the bent left elbow until just before impact with the ball.
John Jacobs, in his book - The 50 Greatest Golf Lessons of the Century (HarperAcademic), described Vardon’s swing LIKE THROWING A FRISBEE!!
Theodore Jorgensen in his book - The Physics of Golf - devotes 1 separate chapter to Vardon’s swing and comes to the conclusion that by using his left elbow as an additional hinge a power increase of up to 50% is theoretically possible.
Another description of Vardon’s bent left elbow is that he made his left arm into a whip with an additional bending point in it. And then threw his left arm down the target line similar to an athlete throwing a discus but in a more vertical plane. How can you try this out?
Think - throw the Frisbee down the target line.
Keep your left elbow bent on the way down to the ball and unfurl it, like throwing a discus, down thru the ball."
The Magic of the Right Forearm is NOTa stroke pattern. TMRF is part of every movement Homer discussed, from take-away to follow through. It is structure, it cocks, guides and ignites the clubhead. It is a part of every stroke pattern. And it isn't Extensor Action.
"Don't think you'll find the answer in Orlando" Cheapest shot yet to members of this forum, dg.
Both you are right, he won't find the answer in Orlando- Mickey knows nothing about golf. Best to wait til Yoda gets into town and kicks it into high gear. Lynn and Co will unlock the book and fill-in the blanks.
Sorry for helping the members of this forum. If you only knew how many I have helped and the time I have spent helping them.
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