Not according to the man with the phD. Given the animated pictures he showed us the two do not differ enough considering the short amount of time the club is in contact to make that substancial a difference. It was the kind of physics stuff that makes my head spin. The Dr. also didn't think the term "scattered vectors" was appropriate terminology in "physics" talk. He and Mr. Doyle had a conversation about that topic........interesting summit to say the least...hope more of you can attend next time
The effect of the hinging has a direct relationship to how fast the door is closing.
Great, Burner. Really great. Thanks.
To the end of the Follow-Through (Both Arms Straight position), Horizontal Hinging has the greatest Clubhead travel, and Vertical Hinging has the least. So, the essential difference in the Hinge Actions is their Rhythm -- Left Arm and Clubshaft together -- as the Clubhead orbits through Impact.
Actually, the Clubhead Door is always uniformly orbiting (about its Center, the Left Shoulder). It is merely a 'ball of steel' serving the same purpose as David's stone whirling toward Goliath.
It is that pesky Clubface Door that gives us so much trouble. As the Clubhead orbits, the Clubface can Close Only, Lay Back Only or simultaneously Close and Lay Back.
So, there are two Centers (2-D-0):
One for the Clubhead; and
One for the Clubface.
Horizontal and Vertical Hinging permit the Clubhead and Clubface to orbit around the same Center (the Left Shoulder, though in dramatically different ways).
Angled Hinging does not. Hence, it produces its characteristic slicing, uncentered Motion.
If you are having a problem visualizing this concept, rest easy. Even Homer Kelley hit the wall here. Ultimately, he built a model, attempting to determine the Center of the Clubhead Orbit with Angled Hinging. His conclusion:
Not the man with the phD. Given the animated pictures he showed us the two do not differ enough considering the short amount of time the club is in contact to make that substancial a difference.
Thinking over a $5 coffee, wow and the oil companies make too much money!
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Is what I am trying to think about the fact that if you are stuck in the middle of the ocean, you may not see the effects of the tide even though it is happening? I hope so, because some big women with a jelly donut wants my seat........
Is what I am trying to think about the fact that if you are stuck in the middle of the ocean, you may not see the effects of the tide even though it is happening?
To review, I was responding to your quote:
Originally Posted by BBax
Not the man with the phD. Given the animated pictures he showed us the two do not differ enough considering the short amount of time the club is in contact to make that substancial a difference.
The point of my 'tide in your coffee cup' example is that the laws of force and motion apply universally. There is only one set, and there are no exceptions. So, visible or not, the 'tide' in your coffee is there; the coffee 'knows' it and responds accordingly.
Similarly, the premise that Impact lasts only a fraction of a second and that the Clubface Motion during that time cannot be readily observed, does not gain exemption from Law. Suppose the Ball was as large as the earth, the Clubface was sized accordingly and Impact lasted a thousand years. Would there then be enough difference to 'see'? Remember, regardless of magnitude or duration, the same Law applies.
The bottom line is that, however brief the moment of Impact or however slight the Clubface Motion during that violent collision, the laws of force and motion govern. The Ball knows it . . .
merry christmas and thank you mr. kelley !!!!!!!!!
Originally Posted by Yoda
Great, Burner. Really great. Thanks.
To the end of the Follow-Through (Both Arms Straight position), Horizontal Hinging has the greatest Clubhead travel, and Vertical Hinging has the least. So, the essential difference in the Hinge Actions is their Rhythm -- Left Arm and Clubshaft together -- as the Clubhead orbits through Impact.
Actually, the Clubhead Door is always uniformly orbiting (about its Center, the Left Shoulder). It is merely a 'ball of steel' serving the same purpose as David's stone whirling toward Goliath.
It is that pesky Clubface Door that gives us so much trouble. As the Clubhead orbits, the Clubface can Close Only, Lay Back Only or simultaneously Close and Lay Back.
So, there are two Centers (2-D-0):
One for the Clubhead; and
One for the Clubface.
Horizontal and Vertical Hinging permit the Clubhead and Clubface to orbit around the same Center (the Left Shoulder, though in dramatically different ways).
Angled Hinging does not. Hence, it produces its characteristic slicing, uncentered Motion.
If you are having a problem visualizing this concept, rest easy. Even Homer Kelley hit the wall here. Ultimately, he built a model, attempting to determine the Center of the Clubhead Orbit with Angled Hinging. His conclusion:
"There is no Center with Angled Hinging."
thanks yoda.
so many of the propositions of the golfing machine have to be understood within context. thus the the criticisms are always specious. it is too hard to understand ,and who wants to devote that much time ! especially when it doesn't work in ones golf swing instantly and simultaneously. inform and instruct AND absorb and apply instantly and simultaneously good luck ?(although instantaneous and simultaneous does immediately help at start up.) "it is a precision system." and "it's continual progress and not instant perfection"(intellectually and physically) . i didn't realize but all of these things are not conducive to instant ego-gratification. 42 years mr. kelley ??? what a tribute !!!!!!!!
i don't know what dr. zick's criticisms of the golfing machine are exactly((the most i have learned is "the inside-aft quadrant" is not right.(rather vague?) it is not clear whether dr. zick thinks mr. kelley is wrong on this point or whether dr. zick has other targets in mind.)) but it APPEARS THE CRITICISM SEEMS TO BE ( i realize this is not strong language but it is all i have so far) that the clubhead (?) moving to the inside aft-quadrant of the ball is too great (again rather vague) .
however mr. kelley writes in 2-j-3 (oh my god not 2-j-3 again !!!) "the 'VISUAL (my emphasis) arc of approach' delivery line is the curved line of angular motion and actually meets the ball on its inside-aft quadrant as it travels DOWN(my emphasis again) to the low point plane line and BACK ACROSS THE IMPACT PLANE LINE AGAIN( and my emphasis again)."
if the clubhead is to stay on plane it obviously cannot hit an extreme inside-aft portion of the ball for the clubhaed to "pass back across the plane line again" .
now it seems as if the interpretation of dr. zick, and i do not want to be unfair to him, is leaving out the downward element of the clubhead orbit. which would also effect the up and in portion of the stroke. in short the crticism seems to be that the stroke is too much in and out on the downstroke. instead of the down and out ,up and in, THREE DIMENSIONAL ON PLANE DOWNSTROKE .
and leaving out the relevant wrist actions and hinge actions along with, and especially the VISUAL equivalents and their relationship to the inclined plane and pressure point #3 and its relation to the inclined plane, without going into the complications of 2-j-3 and hitting (whew !) !!
Any on issue regarding the flat left wrist past impact?
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If you cannot take the shoulder down the clubshaft plane, you must take along some other path and add compensations - now, instead of one motion to remember, you wind up with at least two!
The Dr. also didn't think the term "scattered vectors" was appropriate terminology in "physics" talk. He and Mr. Doyle had a conversation about that topic........interesting summit to say the least...hope more of you can attend next time
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