I see Retief as a swinger. Check this link on youtube:
(you can hit pause/play - pause/play to slow it down more)
To me - it appears he is pulling the club from the end, versus using his shoulder as a backstop and driving his right forearm. At :31 seconds is a great shot of longitudinal acceleration - shaft bent down, etc.
Check out this with Trevino:
Start around 19 seconds but watch (and pause/play) at 22 seconds (not sure who posted the vid, but they reference angled hinging):
To me, it looks like he uses his right shoulder as a backstop - then drives his shoulder/right forearm downplane and actually looks like his right forearm chases the ball.....in fact, he talks about turning in the barrel - and a closed clubface, etc. Great video - priceless.
Just my perspective.
Hinging, in itself, occurs during the impact interval - per 7-10.
I personally do not see Retief as right arm swinging - to me he looks like a manipulated swinger. Appears shoulder turn takeaway, blah blah blah.
As far as impact - I have still at my house. Yes, his post impact is funky - crazy really. But, having seen him 4 times in person, and video - he hits down. I mean bigtime down. Doesnt look like it in the video, but standing in front of him is a different perspective.
One last thought: His post impact flip seems to be caused by his left elbow bending outwards, towards the target - I would think there is a correlation there........
Tomasello also use to refer to as swinging too. But he uncocked the right elbow from the top through the right forearm per the Magic of the Right Forearm. Powerful swinger that Tomasello.
I have video of Tomasello swinging a club when Tommy was in top form (1987).....his swing was as smooth and powerful as Els and Tommy was approximately 63 years old.
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 01-11-2008 at 08:42 AM.
To truly be a right arm swinger doesn't the right elbow move past the right hip before contact? Which presents another question - do we pull with the right side or the left side when swinging?
What would guys say this guy's pattern is? I have looked at clip after clip. He and Apples look like hitters w/ enviable tempo. He goes kinda wide w/ on the the take away, but narrows it up big time on DS. Looks like great rt. side extensor action late in the DS.
This swing is a LOT different than the youtube deal with him on the swingvision . . . the alignments look MUCH improved.
Tomasello also use to refer to as swinging too. But he uncocked the right elbow from the top through the right forearm per the Magic of the Right Forearm. Powerful swinger that Tomasello.
I have video of Tomasello swinging a club when Tommy was in top form (1987).....his swing was as smooth and powerful as Els and Tommy was approximately 63 years old.
DG
I would like to see a few clips of TT's swing. Can we get those posted?
To truly be a right arm swinger doesn't the right elbow move past the right hip before contact? Which presents another question - do we pull with the right side or the left side when swinging?
The above is open for debate....I have Tomasello on video teaching a student...and Tommy asks the student what are you going to start the club down with....the student's response.....the muscles of both forearms. When I studied with Tommy I believe it was all right forearm. I have 8 hours of my instruction with him on audio cassette....1/3 of the total time instruction time with Tommy. I believe the whipcracking reference that Tomasello mentioned might be the muscles of both forearms move to start the club down. I'm still listening to my tapes. On the Australia videos we have Tomasello teaching the two forearm startdown, but primarily with the right forearm. But Tommy always taught the uncocking of the right forearm from the top. I have references of that from 1987 through 1993.
The forearm answer is... you can use all three combinations for swinging (Watched Tommy's 1987 teaching video, he said you could use all three combinations, what a revelation). Left forearm only, Right Forearm only, or both. Reference Tommy's Chapter series #5 video on power...when Tommy talks about regulating power for the shot at hand. It's up to you the golfer to decide.
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