Well, at least it was inspired by something even more lame . . . as much as I don't enjoy criticizing myself. How are you hitting 'em these days?
If you want to insult Ted then go ahead but don't insult me- Hit'm Come ON!
I usually always play and practice- maybe not that good but I'm always trying to get better. However, over the last three months haven't touched a club. I have been busy at work and looking at moving to Maine- so I've been stressed 24/7 with business, real estate and personal stuff. Lately I lined most of it up and got it on the tracks - Hence, these wacky posts to release some stress!
Now, the important thing is the tournament and the rules for lining up a partner- Lynn any rules? I know I said Scramble last time but that was a mistake- Best Ball! We'll need an LBG traveling trophy(s) for the year - one for each player of the winning team! It should be one big motha trofy - I might suggest that we have one full time Hitting team- just so we can make fun of them later at the bar.
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The reason you can't sustain the lag is because you are so eager to make the club move fast (a reaction to the intent of "hitting it far"). So on a full shot you throw it away too early, which doesn't happen for your short chip. (bts)
If you want to insult Ted then go ahead but don't insult me- Hit'm Come ON!
I usually always play and practice- maybe not that good but I'm always trying to get better. However, over the last three months haven't touched a club. I have been busy at work and looking at moving to Maine- so I've been stressed 24/7 with business, real estate and personal stuff. Lately I lined most of it up and got it on the tracks - Hence, these wacky posts to release some stress!
Now, the important thing is the tournament and the rules for lining up a partner- Lynn any rules? I know I said Scramble last time but that was a mistake- Best Ball! We'll need an LBG traveling trophy(s) for the year - one for each player of the winning team! It should be one big motha trofy - I might suggest that we have one full time Hitting team- just so we can make fun of them later at the bar.
"Personal stuff" . . . man the problems here are without limit . . . now . . . I'm scared. I mean is it crabs? A rash? Decomposing bodies? Peanut butter and dogs? Farm porn?
That was "cut and paster" post you gave 3putt, Bucket! I may be able to beat you @$$, but I would pay to take a lesson from you. As long as you don't make my 10-2-B a 10-2-D!
I don't think I have missed the big picture. I extensively used the forums, videos, animations, etc prior to actually getting into the book proper. Many threads dealt with the "newbies" introduction to TGM so I think I entered with an appropriate mindset.
Sorry if I came off a bit crossways. I mistook your apparent "contradictions" as a misunderstanding that there are 144 component variations out there, explaining why Homer seems to say do this...and you can also do that etc.
Bucket saw you right though. That info alone could turn conventional golf instruction on its ear!
Bucket’s reply has inspired me. Here is an attempt to put into words my thought processes when evaluating the plane in the context of TGM, at least through startup and backstroke. If I’m way off base, then it’s good to know now and get out before causing irreparable damage. So at great risk to my self-worth, here goes:
The post is on the longer side. Consider yourself forewarned
For simplicity (now ain’t that an oxy-moron on this site!) lets envision a golfer at “address”, zero accumulator #3, FLV left “wrist”. So clubshaft and left forearm in a straight line resting on an inclined plane. An awful lot like 1-L. For purposes of this discussion, lets not quibble over clubshaft vs sweetspot planes, impact vs lowpoint plane lines, etc (unless of course this causes me to draw incorrect conclusions)
First, hinging. For pure horizontal hinging, the clubhead would transcribe a perfect circle on the ground. Now this is a particularly un-golflike motion and doesn’t conform to 2-F so other than academic and illustrative purposes, has no value (other than maybe a short putt). Same thing for pure vertical hinging where the clubhead would trace a perfect circle on a plane perpendicular to the ground. Angle hinging transcribes a perfect circle on the inclined plane, starts to look more like a golf motion. There is only one incline that conforms to 2F and this is the incline that the clubshaft rests on at “address”
For brevity (another oxymoron considering this post!), I’ll stick with horizontal hinging. Let’s add a vertical component to horizontal hinging (dual horizontal hinging) so now the shaft rides up an inclined plane. Again, this is a very golf-like motion and there is only one incline that conforms to 2F and this is the incline that the clubshaft rests on at “address”
Now I add accumulator #3 (applies to a good portion of my golf game). For the same ball position, hands are lower and clubshaft plane at address is flatter than above. If I run through the same dual horizontal hinging logic as above, I come up with the same conclusion - there is only one incline that conforms to 2F and this is the incline that the clubshaft rests on at “address”
Much of my golf game employs accumulator #2, so let’s add introduce some wristcock. When employing dual horizontal hinging with or without accumulator #3, any amount of wristcock immediately violates the inclined plane per 2-F (I have trouble understanding 10-18-C). Therefore, I need a degree of freedom. In my view, I need to let go of horizontal hinging (and its requirement for a vertical left wrist) and introduce wrist turn. Now, I don’t have a physical or virtual machine to study the geometry but I believe that coordinated, synchronized wrist cock/wrist turn will maintain the clubshaft on plane (what I see in my mind’s eye is that as I hinge up along the inclined plane, an increment of wrist cock puts clubshaft above plane and a coordinated wrist turn puts it right back on plane, another increment of wrist cock, another increment of wrist turn, …..). Furthermore, I believe that when perfectly coordinated/synchronized, the clubshaft again follows the incline that it rested upon at “address”. What I find very interesting is that it is tough to do consciously but effortless when you let your mind and body take over. This coordinated wrist cock/wrist turn can occur early, late, or uniformly over the duration of the backswing.
So far…..no plane shifts.
Now, when contemplating the wrist turn, I had a thought. It not possible to have wrist cock without wrist turn (remember, I assumed a vertical wrist at the start) BUT it is possible to have wrist turn without wrist cock. So following through this mental image, I see in my mind’s eye is that as I hinge up along the inclined plane, an increment of wrist turn drops the clubshaft below plane. I then would need to adjust my hands to a more vertical incline to get the shaft back pointing a the plane line. Is this the mysterious PLANE SHIFT that started this whole thread??? Following it to the extreme, if I continue turning my wrist, my hand will continue to rise to a steeper and steeper incline, UP TO THE INCLINE IT WOULD HAVE OCCUPIED IN THE ZERO ACCUMUATOR #3 SCENARIO. At that point, wrist cock is free – cock the wrists freely as the hands zip up the plane to the top of the backstroke.
At the risk of blowing this completely out of the water, one does not need to go all the way to the theoretical “zero accumulator #3” plane –at any incline in between one could switch over to the coordinated wrist cock/wrist turn procedure on that plane. Whatever satisfies you personally.
One thing not mentioned so far is shoulder turn. This is yet another disruption or complication to the path of the primary lever or left arm flying wedge as it is riding up the inclined plane. Again, I do not have a real or virtual machine to study the intricacies of the geometry but I believe that the wrist cock/wrist turn/plane shift adjustments work the same way for a stationary left shoulder as well as a rotating left shoulder. Of course the adjustments are different, but they achieve the same end goal of being able to keep the clubshaft on plane at various inclines that share the same plane line.
In my mind, I have convinced myself that it is indeed possible to have the clubshaft remain on plane AND maintain the #3 accumulator AND cock the wrists ALL AT THE SAME TIME (I do have to relax my impression that horizontal hinging is in effect for the entire swing in order to permit wrist turn. If I view it as more of an impact phenomenon, then I have mental consistency about how things fit together)
Anyway, there you have it - the crap according to 3putt.
Bucket’s reply has inspired me. Here is an attempt to put into words my thought processes when evaluating the plane in the context of TGM, at least through startup and backstroke. If I’m way off base, then it’s good to know now and get out before causing irreparable damage. So at great risk to my self-worth, here goes:
The post is on the longer side. Consider yourself forewarned
For simplicity (now ain’t that an oxy-moron on this site!) lets envision a golfer at “address”, zero accumulator #3, FLV left “wrist”. So clubshaft and left forearm in a straight line resting on an inclined plane. An awful lot like 1-L. For purposes of this discussion, lets not quibble over clubshaft vs sweetspot planes, impact vs lowpoint plane lines, etc (unless of course this causes me to draw incorrect conclusions)
First, hinging. For pure horizontal hinging, the clubhead would transcribe a perfect circle on the ground. Now this is a particularly un-golflike motion and doesn’t conform to 2-F so other than academic and illustrative purposes, has no value (other than maybe a short putt). Same thing for pure vertical hinging where the clubhead would trace a perfect circle on a plane perpendicular to the ground. Angle hinging transcribes a perfect circle on the inclined plane, starts to look more like a golf motion. There is only one incline that conforms to 2F and this is the incline that the clubshaft rests on at “address”
For brevity (another oxymoron considering this post!), I’ll stick with horizontal hinging. Let’s add a vertical component to horizontal hinging (dual horizontal hinging) so now the shaft rides up an inclined plane. Again, this is a very golf-like motion and there is only one incline that conforms to 2F and this is the incline that the clubshaft rests on at “address”
Now I add accumulator #3 (applies to a good portion of my golf game). For the same ball position, hands are lower and clubshaft plane at address is flatter than above. If I run through the same dual horizontal hinging logic as above, I come up with the same conclusion - there is only one incline that conforms to 2F and this is the incline that the clubshaft rests on at “address”
Much of my golf game employs accumulator #2, so let’s add introduce some wristcock. When employing dual horizontal hinging with or without accumulator #3, any amount of wristcock immediately violates the inclined plane per 2-F (I have trouble understanding 10-18-C). Therefore, I need a degree of freedom. In my view, I need to let go of horizontal hinging (and its requirement for a vertical left wrist) and introduce wrist turn. Now, I don’t have a physical or virtual machine to study the geometry but I believe that coordinated, synchronized wrist cock/wrist turn will maintain the clubshaft on plane (what I see in my mind’s eye is that as I hinge up along the inclined plane, an increment of wrist cock puts clubshaft above plane and a coordinated wrist turn puts it right back on plane, another increment of wrist cock, another increment of wrist turn, …..). Furthermore, I believe that when perfectly coordinated/synchronized, the clubshaft again follows the incline that it rested upon at “address”. What I find very interesting is that it is tough to do consciously but effortless when you let your mind and body take over. This coordinated wrist cock/wrist turn can occur early, late, or uniformly over the duration of the backswing.
So far…..no plane shifts.
Now, when contemplating the wrist turn, I had a thought. It not possible to have wrist cock without wrist turn (remember, I assumed a vertical wrist at the start) BUT it is possible to have wrist turn without wrist cock. So following through this mental image, I see in my mind’s eye is that as I hinge up along the inclined plane, an increment of wrist turn drops the clubshaft below plane. I then would need to adjust my hands to a more vertical incline to get the shaft back pointing a the plane line. Is this the mysterious PLANE SHIFT that started this whole thread??? Following it to the extreme, if I continue turning my wrist, my hand will continue to rise to a steeper and steeper incline, UP TO THE INCLINE IT WOULD HAVE OCCUPIED IN THE ZERO ACCUMUATOR #3 SCENARIO. At that point, wrist cock is free – cock the wrists freely as the hands zip up the plane to the top of the backstroke.
At the risk of blowing this completely out of the water, one does not need to go all the way to the theoretical “zero accumulator #3” plane –at any incline in between one could switch over to the coordinated wrist cock/wrist turn procedure on that plane. Whatever satisfies you personally.
One thing not mentioned so far is shoulder turn. This is yet another disruption or complication to the path of the primary lever or left arm flying wedge as it is riding up the inclined plane. Again, I do not have a real or virtual machine to study the intricacies of the geometry but I believe that the wrist cock/wrist turn/plane shift adjustments work the same way for a stationary left shoulder as well as a rotating left shoulder. Of course the adjustments are different, but they achieve the same end goal of being able to keep the clubshaft on plane at various inclines that share the same plane line.
In my mind, I have convinced myself that it is indeed possible to have the clubshaft remain on plane AND maintain the #3 accumulator AND cock the wrists ALL AT THE SAME TIME (I do have to relax my impression that horizontal hinging is in effect for the entire swing in order to permit wrist turn. If I view it as more of an impact phenomenon, then I have mental consistency about how things fit together)
Anyway, there you have it - the crap according to 3putt.
There's a lot in here . . . you put a lot of thought into it. You got some concepts mixed up. But props to you for taking it on. It's unfortunate that the book doesn't come with a video. I could take you through a bunch of this stuff, but it would make a HUGE thread.
You should attend a seminar assuming you have the interest and the $. But if not ask plenty of questions. You seem to be mixed up on how Hinging works.
Do a search in the archives on Hinge Action. They are organized by Chapters in the book. So take a look at the Chapters where you are having trouble visualizing and conceptualizing the material. Search that in the main forum and the archives. For the most part the entire book has been tackled.
You are having some issues with Grip Type, the #3 Accumulator (the angle and how it works), and Wrist Action/Hand Action.
I'd say we need to start with your grip type because that is going to have a huge impact on how your hands HAVE to move during the Release Motions.
How do you have your hand on the club pop intruction "strong" or pop instruction "weak"? See the pics on 10-2-B vs 10-2-D grip types.
As long as you don't make my 10-2-B a 10-2-D! 
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