Clubshaft "on plane"

[KOC]

misquoted!!!

KOC- he was talking about the BASE LINE of the incline plane- not the incline plane's angle. Where it is attached to the ground which is usually but not always the line of flight. You can have the base line open or closed to the line of flight. The incline plane is always FLAT and extends in every direction.

go to the quote and add three words to the beginning.

Oh...missed but added!!! 2-F....

[Burner]

Burner
I am puzzled by your use of the word "offensive". It is never offensive to analyse/dissect/criticize a scientific theory, because a "true" scientist invites rigorous analysis/counterarguments/criticism of his theory, because he knows that his theory's ability to withstand any attempt at falsification (in a Popperian sense) strengthens his theory.

Regarding my modus operandi of attacking any golf swing theory, it merely reflects my scientific approach established over many decades.
Jeff.

Jeff,

I have no problem with arguments and counters thereto, it is the life blood of any forum. My "offense", maybe not the most well chosen word, arises out of your modus operandi where certain examples you put forward in support of your stance appear to be based on no other scientific principle than "look, this bloke (choice of bloke varies as to which one best suits your purpose) doesn't do it so it cannot be so".

Simple as that. I have no other issues with you and, indeed, welcome your input in the various forums we both enjoy. You have much to offer and raise questions that cause not only me, I suspect, to have a little rethink on various aspects from time to time.

Bucket,

"NOBODY HAS AN UNCOMPENSATED STROKE. NOBODY IS ON THE SAME PLAN ALL THE TIME.'Don't just pigeon hole Homer into a little box. Don't forget about Chapter 10. 'I think Homer would ENJOY the discourse . . . so should we."

I do realise that no one has an uncompensated stroke and thought I had made that point plainly enough without pigeon holing Homer.

Furthermore, I appreciate the fact that Homer would likely "enjoy the discourse". But, he would have preferred any discourse to be based on sounder scientific principles than those occasionally put forward by Jeff - this bloke doesn't do it, see, so it cannot be right. Know what I'm saying?

[Jeff]

Burner

I didn't just introduce an isolated bloke's swing (Sergio Garcia's swing) out of context. I used Sergio Garcia as an example of another plane theory - Hank Haney's theory of conguent plane angles. Whether you regard Hank Haney's plane theory as being as "scientific" as HK's plane theory is a personal choice, but I don't think that I am being "destructive" or "unnecessarily disrespectful of HK" by comparing HK's plane theory to other plane theories (Hank Haney's). I think that we all can learn by dissecting/comparing golf swing theories.

Jeff.

[Mathew]

Burner

I didn't just introduce an isolated bloke's swing (Sergio Garcia's swing) out of context. I used Sergio Garcia as an example of another plane theory - Hank Haney's theory of conguent plane angles. Whether you regard Hank Haney's plane theory as being as "scientific" as HK's plane theory is a personal choice, but I don't think that I am being "destructive" or "unnecessarily disrespectful of HK" by comparing HK's plane theory to other plane theories (Hank Haney's). I think that we all can learn by dissecting/comparing golf swing theories.

Jeff.

Let me quote myself as this has been lost on the first page as no one seemed to read it.

Now to the Hank Haney parallel plane theory. To those not acquanted with the golfing machine would think it contradictory to the TGM however they are mistaken. Homer Kelley clearly states in 7-7 - I don't have my book with me so I will have to paraphrase "other controlled procedures may be more difficult but not be deemed incorrect such as positioning the club to the plane angle intended for release". This is exactly the same as the parallel plane theory. However going into this in detail is another post however I concur with Homer Kelley on this that it is unnessesarily difficult.

[12 piece bucket]

Jeff,

I have no problem with arguments and counters thereto, it is the life blood of any forum. My "offense", maybe not the most well chosen word, arises out of your modus operandi where certain examples you put forward in support of your stance appear to be based on no other scientific principle than "look, this bloke (choice of bloke varies as to which one best suits your purpose) doesn't do it so it cannot be so".

Simple as that. I have no other issues with you and, indeed, welcome your input in the various forums we both enjoy. You have much to offer and raise questions that cause not only me, I suspect, to have a little rethink on various aspects from time to time.

Bucket,




I do realise that no one has an uncompensated stroke and thought I had made that point plainly enough without pigeon holing Homer.

Furthermore, I appreciate the fact that Homer would likely "enjoy the discourse". But, he would have preferred any discourse to be based on sounder scientific principles than those occasionally put forward by Jeff - this bloke doesn't do it, see, so it cannot be right. Know what I'm saying?

B . . . We're tight so I understand where you come from. I just don't want to see things turn into let's pile on Jeff session.

Homer said there were millions of workable patterns.

AND you can have the club pointing at the plane line and STILL hit a stinker shot.

[6bmike]

Nope i don't think anyone on this forum has a "bigger gun" than me and really why should i as i am not contradicting HK and his work

I agree- I am not defending Jeff. I just hate when this forum resembles those other BS forums.
Individual sections, on to themselves, of HK's TGM will always confuse those that don't see the bigger picture- the elephant as Yoda says. If some understood the back stroke and the difference between END and TOP, the concept of being on Plane would suddenly look different.

[okie]

Yoda! Yoda! Yoda?

[Yoda]

Yoda! Yoda! Yoda?

I'm watching this one from outside the bars. Daniel was able to survive the Lion's Den, but I ain't chancin' it!

[okie]

Oh ye of little faith! Maybe if we throw some more fried chicken in there...Bucket will jump in!

[Burner]

B . . . We're tight so I understand where you come from. I just don't want to see things turn into let's pile on Jeff session.

Homer said there were millions of workable patterns.

AND you can have the club pointing at the plane line and STILL hit a stinker shot.

Listen up Good Buddy,

Don't tell me about stinker shots as I am still inventing ways to hit them.

Feel free though to tell me how to isolate the gene that causes my predisposition to do this by all means.